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I think many people understand at their core, that if men ever lose the desire to raise, support and protect a family, then you can kiss this society goodbye. You can look at the black community as a model of what is to come; a perfect example of a culture without men.

People dont want to say it, or even think it. But it is coming, because American women have alienated men from their natural role to the point where many of us have no use for them except as temporary sexual partners.

I think these people know instinctively, that when a man is forced through doubt to get biological and legal verification of parentage from his own spouse, the instinct that makes men want to care for women will be long gone.

...American women have alienated men from their natural role to the point where many
of us have no use for them except as temporary sexual partners...

At the risk of stereotyping, I get the feeling that American women have basically hung
a "Your Masculine Services No Longer Required" outside their doors...
while saying "Your Tax Dollars Will Be Extracted To Support My Children" is
on the flip side.

That's why when I hear a male buddy basically giving up on marriage to our
native-born crop of females, I say "You have about a 50% chance of divorce if you
marry an 'American Woman'...could your odds be much worse if you go offshore to
find a wife?"

And, inevitably, someone else -- a culture WITH men -- will take over. To paraphrase a Russian saying, "In California, the optimists are learning Spanish, the pessimists are learning Arabic".

American women are getting very good at shooting themselves in the foot.

For all the bitter flames you get on this board for your sexual attitudes & behavior, I think that, deep down, you WISH you could be a nice guy, have an old fashioned marriage, etc., but you have decided that the character of modern women makes that too dangerous. It's ironic -- the howling banshees who condemn your ways, are the very reason WHY you adopted those ways! Just like Tom, your detractors do a great job of proving you right.

In my case, I chose to defy the culture and remain a nice, oldfashioned guy, despite the heavy punishment that modern women inflict on such a man. Somehow, by some miracle, at age 38 I finally landed a women who actually LIKED nice guys... otherwise I would be S.O.L. (The secret: find a girl whose Dad is a nice guy, yet strong enough not to inspire contempt. Girls with jerk fathers go for jerks, and so do girls whose fathers are too nice for their own good. The hierarchy is strength first, then niceness, and if forced to choose, they will always choose strength.)

But it is coming, because American women have alienated men from their natural role to the point where many of us have no use for them except as temporary sexual partners.

For those of us who religiously rule out casual sex, that means, we have no use for them AT ALL. (I was almost there before I found my wife -- if that courtship hadn't worked out, my next stop was overseas.) I'm afraid your conclusions are perfectly logical... which is not surprising for a 101 listener.