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Pedophiles Seek Online Support, Societal Acceptance
CNSNews.com ^ | 6/13/03 | Steve Brown

Posted on 06/13/2003 8:17:51 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: Houmatt
....what little I could read of Pedophilla Chic (the print was really small, so I used printer friendly version) has described only one mention of decent which was:
"It should go without saying, though under the circumstances it cannot, that many, many leaders and members of that movement draw a firm line at consenting adults, want no part of any such "debate," and are in fact disgusted and appalled by it."
so I will not post until I completely read the article. Thanks
101 posted on 06/13/2003 2:18:20 PM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
But when did it become all about boys?

What I find funny is no one is gettin' their panties in a wad over the little girls gettin' felt up by the 'straight' Santas....
102 posted on 06/13/2003 2:19:25 PM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: najida
Tell me, these fine upstanding members of the opposite sex who molest girls in your town... are they or are they not considered "heterosexual"?
103 posted on 06/13/2003 2:21:16 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: najida
Boys are often too ashamed to come forward as it is easier for girls to admit that they were victimized.

Many cases of sexual abuse with boys is usually revealed after he has already reached adulthood.

Sexual abuse towards girls has much the same effect though. Self-esteem, guilt, shame, prostitution, lesbianism (so as to aviod male/female sex which may bring back painful memories), drug & alcohol abuse etc...

It's always a tragedy even if the person who was sexually abused doesn't recognize it as such. It has life altering consequences that can SEEM beyond the control of the person who has expierenced it.
104 posted on 06/13/2003 2:21:38 PM PDT by kuma
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To: Qwerty
Ah, another one who says homosexuals are born, and yet cannot produce anything to back it up.

I, however, can prove it is in fact a choice by providing a single link.

105 posted on 06/13/2003 2:21:44 PM PDT by Houmatt (Remember Jeffrey Curley and Jesse Dirkhising!)
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To: Houmatt
"But can they reproduce other homosexuals?"

LOL.. yes SOMETIMES they do produce other homosexuals. And if you're right and they don't, then that is quite puzzling, don't you think? Why would homosexuals be successful in recruiting children in schools, but not their own children? Your logic falls apart so quickly...

"BA-LONEY! I have seen and heard about some of the stuff that is being given and shown to schoolkids like Heather Has Two Mommies, Gloria Goes To Gay Pride and It's Elementary, not to mention Fistgate."

Fistgate was a private conference, and was mostly attended by adults. All students who attended had to have PARENTAL PERMISSION to attend. Now, show me someone who says "Heather had two mommies" or "Gloria goes to gay pride" made them homosexual.

"So you can hand that BS to somebody else."

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's BS.

106 posted on 06/13/2003 2:23:36 PM PDT by Qwerty (Breakin' the LAW, Breakin the LAW!)
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To: najida
In part it's "all about boys" because no one I know denies that a man who wants to fondle a girl is still heterosexual. Oh, he's a pedophile all right, but he's considered "straight." It's when a guy goes after a preteen boy that things suddenly get very opaque, and he's not to be called "gay." It's sort of like Christians who say that no Christian would ever (fill in the blank: murder, rape, etc). Then when you say, well, here are some examples, they say, "Well, he obviously wasn't a true Christian! And my statement stands unassailed, no Christian would ever blah blah blah."

You have gays stating flatly that gays are not more likely to molest boys (although they seem indeed to be more likely.) When gays manage to get boy-molesting reclassified as something-not-gay, they have a better chance of convincing us to hand our children over to spend the night with William the Gay Scoutmaster.

107 posted on 06/13/2003 2:26:25 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: Houmatt
"Ah, another one who says homosexuals are born, and yet cannot produce anything to back it up."

Oh, now I get it. You can't read. I have said before as well as in this thread that I can not prove that homosexuality is genetic. However, my personal experiences tell me that it IS genetic.

You're the one who is saying there is no chance of a genetic component, which means that the burden of proof is upon you to prove a negative. What a fun situation you've put yourself in.

"I, however, can prove it is in fact a choice by providing a single link."

You think a humorous book is proof? Figures.

108 posted on 06/13/2003 2:26:57 PM PDT by Qwerty (Breakin' the LAW, Breakin the LAW!)
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To: najida
It became all about boys when the usual list of gay bashing nitwits started demanding to know what the homos were going to do about the pedophiles, as if they have a monolopy on them.
109 posted on 06/13/2003 2:30:56 PM PDT by LanPB01
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To: kuma
OK,

because I 'am' speaking from my experience and from childhood memories,

Sitting here recalling my childhood, I can think of at least a 6 instances (about 7 girls) that involved fathers, principles, family friends, uncles, step-fathers etc. No one talked about it much....but we all were in the same school...
Mothers moved away taking the girls,
pregnant girls where shipped off to homes,
People were fired and then disappeared,
hysterical teens tried to kill themselves....

But I don't remember it really being discussed openly.

So my perspective is very different.
110 posted on 06/13/2003 2:32:04 PM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: A_perfect_lady
It appears your finishing school must have overlooked a few lessons on reading comprehension. Nowhere did I state homos can't be pedophiles. They can, and should be dealt with as severly as hetero pedophiles.
111 posted on 06/13/2003 2:38:15 PM PDT by LanPB01
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To: LanPB01; najida
I think both of you are conveniently ignoring my posts, which are not about just boys, but girls, hetero/sexual disorder (including same sex attraction) and the cause/effect of pedophilia (pre-pubescent) epheblophilia sp? (pubescent), sexual predation.
112 posted on 06/13/2003 2:38:59 PM PDT by kuma
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To: kuma
I answered your last post....
As someone who has been molested and lived in a society as a child were it was not only prevelant...but kept pretty fickin' quiet.

No, girls DIDN'T talk about it 30 plus years ago
113 posted on 06/13/2003 2:43:52 PM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: najida
I know 2 little girls that were molested. One of them systematically for about 3 years before anyone found out. On my street by the same man when I was 7 years old.

It was plenty talked about. I come from a conservative community though. Maybe that is the problem in your area.
114 posted on 06/13/2003 2:46:04 PM PDT by kuma
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To: kuma
I'm not ignoring your posts, I just haven't had time to read them all. I agree with your theory that there could be a genetic pre-disposition towards homosexuality. My only complaint with this thread was that it started as a rant against pedophiles, then a few people started demanding homos show up to defend this article (as if they were the root cause of all pedophilia).
115 posted on 06/13/2003 2:47:37 PM PDT by LanPB01
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To: najida
We've been posting at the same time so I missed your reply.

I think boys are often brought up because of the recent homosexual priest scandal. The main reason why so many are screeching homosexual is because MOST all of the boys were abused by openly homosexual men and MOST of the boys had already reached puberty.

But you wouldn't know those FACTS by watching the media.
116 posted on 06/13/2003 2:49:24 PM PDT by kuma
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To: LanPB01
Yes I know with all the pedophilia garbage that seems to be coming up lately somehow it always ends up into another debate. I'm guilty of that as well. I start of on track but when you get in the midst of it things start to veer and spin out of control.

I blame both sides of the debate for that.
117 posted on 06/13/2003 2:52:19 PM PDT by kuma
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To: kattracks
Pedophiles can obtain socital acceptance, and assume roles such as teachers, police, and medical professionals. All that is required is a simple medical procedure.
118 posted on 06/13/2003 2:52:26 PM PDT by SSN558 (Be on the lookout for Black White-Supremists)
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To: kuma
I start of on track

MEANS

I start OFF on track
119 posted on 06/13/2003 2:53:57 PM PDT by kuma
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To: Qwerty
Oh, now I get it. You can't read. I have said before as well as in this thread that I can not prove that homosexuality is genetic. However, my personal experiences tell me that it IS genetic.

As I am sure your personal experiences tell you the world is flat, and the moon landings were faked.

That does not mean squat around here, because there is no existing scientific evidence homosexuality has anything whatsoever to do with genetics. Period. Since you are asserting otherwise (albeit from "personal experience"), it is up to you to back it up.

You think a humorous book is proof?

You mean like something written by Dave Barry? Uh, no, that book is not a humor book. The approach may be, but the book is not promoted as humor or satire. Furthermore, only one of the authors have put out any other book, which just happens to be a collection of lesbian erotica.

Sorry, Charlie, but your attempt to dismiss a book that blatantly implies choice in sexual orientation has failed, and miserably, I might add.

Go back ten yards and try again.

120 posted on 06/13/2003 2:57:01 PM PDT by Houmatt (Remember Jeffrey Curley and Jesse Dirkhising!)
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To: GrandMoM
so when are you graduating from pre-school?????

Never. As an innocent little kid I can get away with poking bigots in the ribs. ;-)

121 posted on 06/13/2003 2:59:57 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: kattracks
The Pedophiles have the so called Adult Entertainment industry to thank- Larry"Bubba Clinton's Friend"Flynt,Hugh Hefner,Howeird"Degenerate"Stern, and their Liberal/ACLU Libertarian friends too.
122 posted on 06/13/2003 3:00:13 PM PDT by johnfl61
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To: Qwerty
LOL.. yes SOMETIMES they do produce other homosexuals.

And how do they do that? By birth? Inquiring minds want to know.

Fistgate was a private conference, and was mostly attended by adults. All students who attended had to have PARENTAL PERMISSION to attend.

And what exactly was the purpose of the private conference?

123 posted on 06/13/2003 3:03:16 PM PDT by Houmatt (Remember Jeffrey Curley and Jesse Dirkhising!)
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To: kuma
It was plenty talked about. I come from a conservative community though. Maybe that is the problem in your area.
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Darlin',
I was raised in the heart dixie with a bible on my bedside and a gun in my pickup...
We were in church if the wind blew the doors open and we prayed loud and long, just to make sure God heard us...
You can't get more conservative that that ;)

'Nice' people didn't talk about such things...
It wasn't....
Proper.

As for a quick rundown...
Me-- uncle and father, starting at 5
3rd grade-- red headed best buddy and her little sister, by their father
5th grade-- 14 year old sister of another best buddy, pregnant by step-father
6th grade-- Principle fired for reaching under the skirt and fondling the baby sister of another friend.
High school-- Repeatedly suicidal friend finally admitted she had been raped by her father's best friend and business partner....and she was scared to death to tell her parents because they were so religious and she knew they would blame her.

All of this was discussed by us on the playground and at recess....or years later when we were adults.
124 posted on 06/13/2003 3:03:58 PM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: najida
As for a quick rundown...
Me-- uncle and father, starting at 5....

Wow and reading you profile is an inspiration. But you should never had to have experienced such horror. Thank you very much for "your true insight" into "your experience."
125 posted on 06/13/2003 3:13:50 PM PDT by jhw61
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To: najida
I can't say I know what the problem was then. I'll be turning 30 this year so maybe you are older??? But as you can see I'm only guessing.

I have two little boys so boys are what is primarily on my mommy mind. If it seems as though I don't care what happens to girls I do and I came from a family of all girls.

I think another big rant with me is how casually everyone reacts about adult women sexually abusing teenage boys. It's even joked about with quite a cavalier attitude. You would never see quite as much of that, sickos not counted, when adult men sexually abuse teenage girls.

But this isn't a competition just dismay at how some people can't recognize that teenage boys can be emotionally, psychologically and physically manipulated. NOPE instead you have to listen to IDIOTS like Mr. Bill O'Reilly insist that boys can't be raped.
126 posted on 06/13/2003 3:14:48 PM PDT by kuma
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To: najida
In high school there were girls that were "rumored" to be having sex with the band instructor. It was investigated but never any proof (just gossip) that anything had taken place.

It was once again talked about alot. I know I avoided the band teacher regardless.

Then there was a teenage boy who openly confessed (bragged) that he had sex with a 30 yr old woman at the age of 14. He laughed about it (sad I think and I wasn't laughing) and nothing was ever done about it at all.

Can you possibly see my point now of why I percieve there to be more support for girls than boys?
127 posted on 06/13/2003 3:21:43 PM PDT by kuma
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To: Houmatt
"As I am sure your personal experiences tell you the world is flat, and the moon landings were faked."

I don't try to pass my experiences off as universal fact.. unlike you.

"That does not mean squat around here, because there is no existing scientific evidence homosexuality has anything whatsoever to do with genetics."

And that means there is no genetic component? No, it doesn't. So why do you try to pass it off like it does?

"Since you are asserting otherwise (albeit from "personal experience"), it is up to you to back it up."

I wasn't the one who made the original assertion that there is NO GENETIC FACTOR in homosexuality. That was John O. Go ask him to back it up.

"Uh, no, that book is not a humor book."

Yes it is.

"The approach may be, but the book is not promoted as humor or satire."

I can't believe you think a book called "So, you want to be a lesbian" is a serious attempt to recruit. That's pitiful.

"Sorry, Charlie, but your attempt to dismiss a book that blatantly implies choice in sexual orientation has failed, and miserably, I might add."

Oh it's so BLATANT, the humorous title of the book... it must be proof of recruitment!

128 posted on 06/13/2003 3:22:05 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Houmatt
"And how do they do that? By birth? Inquiring minds want to know."

I have no idea why people turn out to be homosexual. It may be a mix of nature and nurture, it may be completely nurture, it may be completely nature. For either of us to assert that we know the answer is ridiculous. People who say they know for sure have basically said that they don't know what they're talking about.

"And what exactly was the purpose of the private conference?"

The purpose of the conference was to discuss sexuality.

129 posted on 06/13/2003 3:26:39 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: SSN558
"Pedophiles can obtain socital acceptance, and assume roles such as teachers, police, and medical professionals. All that is required is a simple medical procedure."

Excellent idea. I'm willing to pay to provide the bolt cutters.

130 posted on 06/13/2003 3:27:42 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: kattracks
No way.
131 posted on 06/13/2003 3:31:47 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: Qwerty
**they don't know what they're talking about**

There is much evidence (more than anecdotal and the references supplied in the links I've provided) that sexual abuse can and has led up to a homosexual orientation.

While I don't assert that all people attracted to the same sex have been sexually abused (or sexually abused by the same sex for that matter), I don't see how you can deny that sexual abuse cannot be a contributing factor for many.
132 posted on 06/13/2003 3:34:26 PM PDT by kuma
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To: najida
"As for a quick rundown..."

I'm sorry. That's so terrible... and the worst part is that it's so common. I knew a lot of girls growing up who were molested and raped by older men.. more than I can count offhand. I've also known one woman who was raped by her babysitter (a teenage girl) when she was 10. I know two guys who were forced to perform oral sex on men when they were young.

People have to realize that the threat is everywhere, and that children need to be watched over constantly. If all you're looking for is a homosexual coming after your kids, then you might be missing the greater threat.

Thank you for sharing your stories.

133 posted on 06/13/2003 3:34:45 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: kuma
"There is much evidence (more than anecdotal and the references supplied in the links I've provided) that sexual abuse can and has led up to a homosexual orientation."

Yes. But are they true homosexuals? I define a homosexual as someone who has exclusive romantic/sexual attraction to members of the same sex. I've often heard women who were having trouble with their boyfriends say "I'm tired of men, maybe I'll try women". I don't consider them lesbians.

More like sexual refugees.

134 posted on 06/13/2003 3:39:11 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Qwerty
Yes. But are they true homosexuals? I define a homosexual as someone who has exclusive romantic/sexual attraction to members of the same sex.......

Well my brother had a serious relationship with a woman but died at the hands of his permiscous behavior with men...he was indeed a homosexual.
135 posted on 06/13/2003 3:42:52 PM PDT by jhw61
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To: jhw61
"Well my brother had a serious relationship with a woman but died at the hands of his permiscous behavior with men...he was indeed a homosexual."

Probably he was bisexual, if he enjoyed both.

137 posted on 06/13/2003 3:46:27 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Qwerty
Probably he was bisexual, if he enjoyed both......

No, he had "A" relationship with a woman, was engaged to her. No woman before her and no woman after....just guys. He was a homosexual at the time of his death (25 years after the breakup with his fiance). I don't consider that bisexual.
138 posted on 06/13/2003 3:58:48 PM PDT by jhw61
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To: jhw61
Well then he was homosexual.. but tried passing as straight. It happens.
139 posted on 06/13/2003 4:03:43 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Qwerty
Well then he was homosexual.. but tried passing as straight. It happens.

It happens...yeah, shit happens too.

but tried passing as straight...much like you.
140 posted on 06/13/2003 4:09:13 PM PDT by jhw61
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To: jhw61
"but tried passing as straight...much like you."

What does that mean?

141 posted on 06/13/2003 4:21:35 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Frapster
There was a thread a day or so ago about homosexuals taking their sexual partners to the high school proms. I guess the next step will be taking children. Then babies. Then animals. Then corpses. What's left?
142 posted on 06/13/2003 4:21:58 PM PDT by gitmo (Maybe we should just take "The United States of" out of the nation's name.)
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To: gitmo
"I guess the next step will be taking children. Then babies. Then animals. Then corpses. What's left?"

We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Luckily, we won't ever get to it.

143 posted on 06/13/2003 4:23:24 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Qwerty
We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Luckily, we won't ever get to it.

That's what we were told before we got to THIS point.
144 posted on 06/13/2003 4:36:04 PM PDT by gitmo (Maybe we should just take "The United States of" out of the nation's name.)
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To: scripter
those who disagree can only argue against a straw man.

Most of the "homosexual agenda" threads are wall-to-wall scarecrows anyway...you know the familiar "Anyone who has a problem with the normalization of homosexual behavior is constantly screaming 'Gays are going to Hell!' and 'Gays should be put to death!' "

145 posted on 06/13/2003 4:53:55 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Houmatt
I, however, can prove it is in fact a choice by providing a single link.

Silly girl! Read the reviews. The book is about lesbians "coming out" not being created. You really should study your reference materials before citing them and showing your inner demons.

146 posted on 06/13/2003 5:00:46 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: gitmo
"That's what we were told before we got to THIS point."

Well, when it becomes common for kids to bring corpses to the prom, mail me and we'll talk.

I'm willing to bet it never will.

147 posted on 06/13/2003 5:01:25 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Qwerty
**But are they true homosexuals?**

This is much of the problem that I see in trying to talk about sexual abuse. I'm specifically talking about the sexual abuse of pre-pubescent/pubescent children. Lots of people are complaining that these threads can get way off topic. So I'm sticking to the topic.

Here we go. This is pertaining to both Heterosexual & Homosexual. It's not hypothetical. I'm talking about real people that I know.

Can you see the tragedy of an adult "acting out" the sexual abuse they expierenced whether subliminally or consciously?

Can you understand the agony that family & friends feel when they "know why"?

Can you understand the anger that family & friends express when others say they are being "intolerant" of that person's "lifestyle"? (remember I'm talking about all sexual orientations)

Can you understand the frustration that family & friends feel with "outsiders" who come in to the situation then insist that they love that person more because they "accept" them for who they are?

Can you understand the pain that family & friends go through when that (sexually abused) adult turns to them, knowing they can because of unconditional love, to listen to all their problems only to be undermined by "outsiders" who have their own agenda?

Remember when replying, this is about children that were sexually abused then grew into adulthood taking these problems with them.
This is not about you, homosexuality, sexual liberation or anything but those who are dealing with the repercussions of what everyone here seems to agree is a tragedy.
148 posted on 06/13/2003 5:03:05 PM PDT by kuma
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To: kuma
Can you possibly see my point now of why I percieve there to be more support for girls than boys?
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Yes I can! There is a double standard....
A 14 year old 'has sex' with the lady next door and probably gets a 'nudge nudge, wink wink, atta boy!' from his father...

I do know of these kinda things (like the teacher who had the baby by her 13 year old student!)
149 posted on 06/13/2003 5:11:13 PM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: tl361
Try the second link in that same post. Yes. I agree they are sexually abused people who need help and without the interference of people who just have an agenda.
150 posted on 06/13/2003 5:11:17 PM PDT by kuma
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