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GOP Establishment Should Fear Cruz Run
commentarymagazine.com ^ | Dec. 11, 2014 | Jonathan S. Tobin

Posted on 12/11/2014 2:18:14 PM PST by PROCON

Yesterday, Senator Ted Cruz gave a major foreign-policy speech at the Heritage Foundation critiquing the disastrous nature of what he labeled as the “Obama-Clinton” approach to the subject. His desire to lay out his foreign-policy views in detail at such a venue as well as his focus on Clinton was a clear indication of something that is not exactly a secret: he’s planning on running for president in 2016. Members of his party’s establishment, which generally despises him as much as his fellow senators and the liberal media, do not take Cruz’s ambition too seriously. But as much as it seems unlikely that he will be taking the presidential oath at the Capitol in January 2017, that establishment should be a lot more afraid of Cruz than they seem to be. Anyone who thinks he will not be a formidable primary contender is paying more attention to the media caricature of Cruz than the facts.

Let’s start by conceding that Cruz’s well-earned image as a Senate bomb-thrower and his truculent public personality makes him a poor bet as a general-election candidate. Being a true believer is an asset in a primary but his uncompromising style won’t win many independent or crossover voters. Just as important, Cruz not only sounds ornery much of the time, he generally looks it too–and in the television era it’s far from clear that Americans will ever again elect someone who doesn’t strike them as being nice or personable. But let’s put those issues aside for a moment and consider Cruz’s chances of winning the Republican nomination in a context in which liberal media bias as well as the imperative of winning the center won’t be as decisive as they would be in a general election.

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TOPICS: Issues; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: 2016election; cruz; gop; tedcruz
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To: InterceptPoint

I don’t think Cruz’ eligibility matters anymore. For them to bring up the question now will bring up the same question about oblunder. The line has been crossed with no repercussions.

For Cruz to be disqualified opens the argument about what constitutes a “ natural born citizen”. Even if you take the phrase at face value to mean that a person should be born to American born parents on American soil then even oblunders phony birth certificate disqaulifies him.


41 posted on 12/11/2014 3:07:08 PM PST by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: PROCON

Will be sweet when Cruz is President and we have good thing to post about America again. :)


42 posted on 12/11/2014 3:10:31 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: PROCON

Cruz, up to now, will make me enthusiastic, should he run.


43 posted on 12/11/2014 3:11:56 PM PST by stevem
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To: skeeter

For the first time in my voting life, I did not cast a vote for my Rep, John Carter - SuperRINO Texas and for John Cornyn, I wrote in Ted Cruz’ name (wishing he had two votes).

I will no longer “hold my nose” when I vote. To hell with the liars who claim to be for limited government.


44 posted on 12/11/2014 3:15:19 PM PST by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

We need the likes of Bush, Christie, Huckster and others of like minded RINO scum. This can only help decent Rs.
The GOPe will try ANYTHING so we must have our field narrowed. SC primary will be very important...word now is Nancy Graham will run...should this happen my guess the conservative vote might get split..home town boy(?) theroy.

The conservative infighting (we love to fight LOL) needs to held at a min.


45 posted on 12/11/2014 3:16:47 PM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: lormand

Me too .. and we need to remember; the “establishment” didn’t like Reagan either .. and pretty much treated him exactly like they are treating Ted Cruz.

So ted is in good company.


46 posted on 12/11/2014 3:17:18 PM PST by CyberAnt ("The hope and changey stuff did not work, even a smidgen.")
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To: JRandomFreeper

Sorry, I don’t agree with you.

Reagan had an uncompromising style too .. and he won two landslide elections.

America is hungry for somebody who is genuine; who loves America and who appreciates her citizens.


47 posted on 12/11/2014 3:19:44 PM PST by CyberAnt ("The hope and changey stuff did not work, even a smidgen.")
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To: Servant of the Cross

Sorry, but I don’t “concede” anything.

I like a “bomb thrower” .. somebody with the courage to say the truth. This is something that is sorely lacking in America today.


48 posted on 12/11/2014 3:21:51 PM PST by CyberAnt ("The hope and changey stuff did not work, even a smidgen.")
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To: CyberAnt
My point was that the GOP didn't get the moderate vote or the conservative vote they needed to win in the last 2 elections.

Liberal republicans don't win the presidency.

/johnny

49 posted on 12/11/2014 3:23:08 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: lormand
Living in the lost cause of California, national races are the only reason for me to participate anymore.

And the GOPe is busy making election day a complete waste of my time.

50 posted on 12/11/2014 3:25:44 PM PST by skeeter
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To: lormand
For the first time in my voting life, I did not cast a vote for my Rep, John Carter - SuperRINO Texas and for John Cornyn, I wrote in Ted Cruz’ name

Same here. Carter is an old fool and Cornyn isn't worth spit.

51 posted on 12/11/2014 3:27:30 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well .. my point is that instead of looking at what “groups” were voting .. I’m looking at the motives, and purposes of the person running. The right person can cross over all lines of any group.

It is what Reagan did. He had a general message .. which fit EVERYONE. A basic message regarding being proud to be an American .. and he was proud to be one.


52 posted on 12/11/2014 3:27:53 PM PST by CyberAnt ("The hope and changey stuff did not work, even a smidgen.")
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To: CyberAnt
Before you go jumping on people or disagreeing with them, make sure you aren't looking at the quoted part of the article I was replying to.

You did that with my post 3.

Everything in italics was a quoted part of the article.

/johnny

53 posted on 12/11/2014 3:29:31 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: SoConPubbie
If you start with the knowledge that Jeffrey Tobin is an outspoken Progressive Liberal, you’re able to filter out the biased nonsense about the lack of electability of Senator Cruz and get down to whatever is left of his screed that is useful.

That's Jeffrey Toobin, CNN-New Yorker legal talking head.

This is Jonathan Tobin, Commentary neocon.

54 posted on 12/11/2014 3:44:25 PM PST by x
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To: x

Not much difference, IMHO, where the rubber meets the road.

Still pretty useless from a policy and commentary perspective.

Only difference is that Jonathan Tobin occasionally stumbles over the truth.


55 posted on 12/11/2014 3:51:56 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: diverteach
"Even if you take the phrase at face value to mean that a person should be born to American born parents on American soil"

Actually, I don't think that's the face value definition. That's a learned definition, which is known to people who went deep into the Obama birth controversy.

I think the face value is "citizen at birth". This is how we think about things day-to-day: either you naturalized or were a born citizen. We all know that Schwarzenegger is naturalized. Cruz was a citizen at birth, via his American mother. Same as Obama.

Birthers never managed to get many people to agree with their main idea that "natural born" has multiple requirements and is not synonymous with "Citizen at birth".

I'm not passing judgement on their claims, and whether Obama was even a citizen at birth is hard to know, given that the documents he provided were obviously forged.

What I am describing what I believe the view of most Americans is. if you were a citizen at birth you are eligible. If you are an immigrant, you are not.

56 posted on 12/11/2014 4:00:21 PM PST by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: PROCON

Ha! LOL I love it!


57 posted on 12/11/2014 4:04:59 PM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: PROCON

I think that Cruz has the potential to be a lot more popular than people think. As Reagan was the man for his time, Cruz is the man for his.

Carter was bad, really bad, but most people then believed (many still do) that he was an honest player who loved the country and tried to do what he thought was right. Reagan’s message - a combination of sunny optimism, home-folks sincerity, and conservative peace through strength - was just the tonic the nation needed to pull it out of the slump.

The situation we face today is far more perilous and the remedies are going to be a lot more painful. They require a implacable willingness to do the right thing. Cleaning up after Obama is going to require meatball surgery. I think that deep down inside, even the Democrats understand that. Certainly the Democrat working men and women do, regardless what the elite in academia and media say.

How all this will play out, I have no idea, but if there is one thing I am utterly convinced of, it’s if the e-GOP manages to foist another of their choice on the nomination, they’re doomed. Romney, Christie, Jeb, McCain? Forget it. Every one of them would lose, and lose badly.


58 posted on 12/11/2014 4:15:01 PM PST by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Steve_Seattle

The GOP establishment is a pack of squishes. A true Republican should view the Constitution as a sacred document and make no apologies about it.


59 posted on 12/11/2014 4:21:41 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, N recruitot a cut Matter of Opinion)
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To: Ronin

Carter may be honest about what he believes but much of what he believes is wrong.


60 posted on 12/11/2014 4:32:02 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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