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What's at Stake in the Second Republican Debate: Full Panic in the GOP
The New Republic ^ | September 16, 2015 | Brian Beutler, senior editor

Posted on 09/16/2015 7:47:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So now the

The New Republic

is considered an authoritative source. The revolution continues.

21 posted on 09/16/2015 8:26:01 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The short-term goal of The Establishment has been for ANY Republican to take down Trump, even Cruz would be acceptable for that purpose. Needless to say, Carson and iCarla are fine also.

The next step, then, is to of course dump whoever took out Trump...and replace that person with ‘consensus pick’, which would be Jeb, Rubio, or Walker.

But from what I can tell, Carla did well in the debate tonight and Carson was a virtual no-show - so Carla gets a big piece of Carson’s support, and Trump support probably holds steady. If that’s the case, then Carla and Carson end up around 12% each, with Trump still at 30%, and Trump ends up with a bigger lead - simply because the people trying to take him out keep stepping on each other.


22 posted on 09/16/2015 8:26:53 PM PDT by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win (see my 'profile' page))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Says The Hard Left New Republic. Remind me again (and small words please) why I’m supposed to take what they say seriously?


23 posted on 09/16/2015 8:27:32 PM PDT by Valin (I'm not completely worthless. I can be used as a bad example.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Whether the GOP should even be considered a viable political party. It is absolutely a worthless party as now managed.


24 posted on 09/16/2015 8:28:50 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: LS

Out of more than 100,000 votes on Drudge when asked who won the debate 60% said Trump. Fiorina was 14% and the rest at or below 6%.


25 posted on 09/16/2015 8:29:21 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: GilGil

Actually, I misspoke. It was out of 225,000 who have currently voted on Drudge.


26 posted on 09/16/2015 8:35:50 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: 2nd Amendment; 2ndDivisionVet; alstewartfan; aposiopetic; AUTiger83; arderkrag; biff; ...
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27 posted on 09/16/2015 8:37:37 PM PDT by erod (Chicago Conservative | Cruz or Lose!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Full panic? I don’t think so. Full stupidity at New Republic. Now THAT I believe.


28 posted on 09/16/2015 8:38:11 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: GilGil

I suspect some of the Fiorina buzz is due to the fact that for her, this really was the “first” debate. Nobody watched the childrens debate last time...

I think she would be on Trump’s short list for VP. Pay no attention to that personal stuff, they’ve both come through the business world where you quickly learn to work for and do a good job for people you don’t like personally. Trump will want an active VP, and she’d be a good choice to head up the downsizing of the federal government. The key to this election is “outsider”, Trump would gain nothing by picking a politician.


29 posted on 09/16/2015 8:40:49 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob

If Trump puts Fiorino on the ticket, I won’t vote for him. I’m not listening to that hectoring hag for 4 years. No way.


30 posted on 09/16/2015 8:45:06 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: bigbob

No doubt. On the Drudge poll asking who won the debate Trump is now at 59%. Fiorina at 16% and Carson 6%. Add them all together and the outsiders tally 81%.

Hell Bush is at 1%.


31 posted on 09/16/2015 8:45:07 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trump was good, Dr. Carson was ok, Ted Cruz was AWESOME, the others were terrible.


32 posted on 09/16/2015 8:45:39 PM PDT by Menthops (If you are reading this..... the GOPe hates you!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just my opinion without taking time to think about it...

Carly did well, she had her moments. Rand, Huck, and Rubio also each had their moments in different ways for different reasons.

Walker did too, but even when he is doing well he fails to capture your attention.

They did what they could to freeze Cruz out, but when he got the chance to speak he did well. But they gave him as little time as possible. There were others who were given little time but seized it.

Carson is a nice guy but is a bit fumbly.

Kasich excites no interest. Nor does Bush.

Trump was the target for almost everyone and took a rather constant pounding. All he had to do was survive it, and I think he did. I don’t know that he had any “moments” but I don’t think he had to. Some of the others did, and they needed to just to stay in the game.

I’ll predict that the press will be pushing Rubio and Fiorina after tonight. Trump will continue to lead. Cruz will hang on because he believes.


33 posted on 09/16/2015 8:57:13 PM PDT by marron
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To: Menthops

I really like Ted Cruz, but I don’t see how anyone could say he, or anyone, was awesome. The whole debate was mediocre. Cruz’s opening was flat, and he was largely crowded out of the debate. When he had a chance, he was very good, as usual, but nothing memorable.


34 posted on 09/16/2015 9:01:04 PM PDT by Wayne07
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To: tennmountainman

I was not a Cain supporter, but I firmly believe he was submarined by the GOPe Uniparty. Not sure exactly why.


35 posted on 09/16/2015 9:02:16 PM PDT by Sontagged (Woe to you when all men shall speak well of you...)
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To: RKBA Democrat
Naaah. The oligarchs will just go with the ‘rat candidate. It’s a rigged game.

I was just referring to the GOPe of course.


36 posted on 09/16/2015 9:02:26 PM PDT by 867V309 (Trump: Bull in a RINO Shoppe)
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To: 867V309

The GOPe nominee is like the runner-up in the Miss America Pageant, only there in case the Rat nominee can’t fulfill their duties.


37 posted on 09/16/2015 9:03:26 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 867V309
Carly has replaced Jeb as their Candidate
38 posted on 09/16/2015 9:04:16 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: Beowulf9

I believe they all are afraid of CRUZ including Fox. They avoid him all the time. Occasionally they throw him a bone, otherwise they act like he isn’t there.

I believe he knows what he is doing and is following a plan he has that will pay off in the future. He is building a grass roots following as he initiates his plan.

He definitely is my choice and if nominated I think he will go all the way.


39 posted on 09/16/2015 9:05:41 PM PDT by depenzz ("it isn't a chance you take, its a choice you make")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Aside from Huck, very little support for Kim Davis or for traditional marriage on that stage.

Some seemed OK with the idea of a special dispensation for a clerk that doesn’t want to be associated with homosexual marriage but no one was prepared to speak out flatly against homosexual marriage. Its like they are fine with providing a bubble to protect Christians from getting their hands dirty but not much willingness to go after the actual issue of the debasement of marriage and the intrusion of the court.

Very little outrage against the butchers at Planned Parenthood except for Carly and Cruz.


40 posted on 09/16/2015 9:07:15 PM PDT by marron
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