Like the Obamatrons, you can ignore his words all you like but doesn't give you the candidate you want to see.
Posted on 02/12/2016 6:47:29 AM PST by Sybeck1
I have been studying health care policy for 20 years now. I am also a multi-state licensed health insurance broker who continues to operate in an increasingly less competitive and more bureaucratically controlled system on both the federal and state level. During the last 20 years I have seen a lot of changes in the U.S. health care system. Some of them good (HIPAA) and some bad (Reagan’s EMTALA) the PPACA a.k.a. “Obamacare†etc.
During the last two decades I have read everything I could get my hands on pertaining to health care policy. I also spent the longest two weeks of my entire life reading the PPACA – Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act – shortly after it was passed into law on March 23, 2010. I have also appeared on television, radio and written expert commentary on health care policy on this blog and for professional business journals around the country. If there is one thing I know it is health care policy and if there is another thing I know it is a lie when I hear it.
I have bit my tongue long enough. As a delegate for Senator Ted Cruz I have been placed into a difficult and increasingly uncomfortable position and now I have had enough! Continuing to support Senator Cruz after he repeats incorrectly and ad nauseum that “A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for Obamacare“ and, that “if you vote Donald Trump, you vote for Bernie Sanders-style socialized medicine.“ Or even worse that Trump, Clinton and Sanders “have the identical position on health care†has forced me into a crisis of conscience. These are statements that even the left leaning Politifact has correctly identified as FALSE.
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I asked you - way upthread - to post your own word for word transcripts of Trump’s healthcare plans that were the same as mine or perhaps in conflict with mine.
You have failed to do so. You are not the first; neither was Girl the first to attack me for using Trumps own words in a grown up discussion of TrumpCare.
When you, and Girl, and others attack the messenger (me) and not the message, you can bet you butt I will kick it back in your face.
Part of the scope of consideration is outside of the sphere of medicine. It involves why people do what they do and what kind of spiritual environment encourages them.
Anyhow, got to go, my daily weirdness quotient has been fulfilled. Got real work to do....
Like the Obamatrons, you can ignore his words all you like but doesn't give you the candidate you want to see.
The problem may be that the newer proposals are not fleshed out as thoroughly as the older ones. And so for lack of anything, people fall back on older proposals. But you’d never go to an IBM VM/360 manual to understand the cutting edge of Linux even though nobody has put out a manual for that yet.
What you can do is try to keep abreast of the process whereby the newer proposals are being brought together.
Like I said enough weirdness for today....
WHEN, WHEN, WHEN did this happen.
I haven’t seen so many timeline ignorant people in my LIFE and this is ironic from a “Raster Master” because you have to have your stuff timed perfectly before your raster shows more than garbage.
Why, why, why am I such a weirdaholic? There is so much weirdness here.
We will attack the methodology and THAT you cannot kick back in our faces. We were not born yesterday when it comes to methodology.
I did an externship in Scotland in the 80’s. Trump is right about Scotland. The patients and especially children who needed frequent cast changes actually lived in hospital wards for 6 months to a year because their homes were too remote and there were no workable transportation options.
Americans would never have accepted the compromises. The ward sister was in charge. The doctor walked the ward weekly and the nurse gave report and answered the doctors’s questions. Only occasionally would the doctor speak directly to the patient. There was only one option for the patient the only care he/she could get.
I was appalled at the time but over the years I have come to understand that National Healthcare for the Scots and even for the Canadians (another place with very remote, thinly populated regions without access)was a necessary step for those people to have any access to a healthcare system. Now the systems are widely criticized, private health insurance is the best employee perk and a valued gift between family members. Perhaps they will evolve and privatize.
Trump is not suggesting those systems for America but as a person of Scottish ancestry he would perhaps be more aware of how impossible it was to obtain healthcare in Scotland before the Government system and how happy people were to be able to go to London or Edinburgh and actually see a specialist. Success is a relative term and needs to be accessed in context.
“We must have universal healthcare.”
No, you did not stutter, you are either lying or not very bright.
We have universal health care now, by LAW.
It is called medicare, medicaid. It is against the law for an emergency room to refuse health care.
Trump was merely explaining that that would continue.
Trump has written books explaining his views on health care, and I am sure it has changed some over time.
He has issued position papers explaining his health care positions.
Then people like you seize upon some statement he managed to squeeze in a thirty second time slot where he was not allowed to complete a thought and run with it.
On the other hand, there are videos on the internet of Cruz very carefully and very articulately spelling out his desires to legalize illegals, to increase immigration, to increase H-1B visas, saying at one time that anchor babies is Constitutional and then taking the opposite belief, and it is all a non-issue.
As the insurance guy explained, universal health care does not mean single payer.
Here, in Louisiana, we have had universal health care for many decades — I mean, before medicaid.
Why me?
I wish any of the candidates would mention specifically what my wife and I use because for us it is a good health care solution. I am surprised that Ted Cruz has not.
We are members of a Christian Healthcare Ministry which has an exemption from Obamacare and we have a healthcare savings account which we put money. Money put into the healthcare savings account is not taxed nor is the interest that is earned. It can be used for healthcare expenses that Christian Healthcare Ministries does not cover like glasses, prescriptions, etc...
Healthcare Ministries are far cheaper than even subsidized Obamacare plans largely because they don’t pay for things like alcohol and drug treatment programs, birth control and abortions, sex change counseling and “treatments” and many other expenses that Obamacare plans require. I think that most members tend to have healthier life styles than the average citizen also and also I think that the percentage paid for administrative expenses are less also.
Many of us have actually listened to the entire interview and read his books.
Amazing how you can take a few sentences out of context, isn’t it?
Why don’t you take a few minutes to actually read this article, then follow the links and see what’s there?
Reality is a dynamic thing, and too many people are married to static models.
And I don’t know why so many people are having problems with the idea of time lines. Time lines are a concept that is as old as the bible itself. People don’t need to even be engineers to understand time lines, although they are vital to most fields of engineering. I worked with an attorney once in a lawsuit against a neighbor of an aunt who had become befogged with Alzheimer’s disease and the suspicion was that the neighbor was manipulating the aunt. The attorney cracked the case by putting together... a TIME LINE. Turned out that every time the family got in some kind of dispute with the neighbor, the aunt’s will mysteriously changed. Now without a TIME LINE, there is no way of seeing things like this.
And you have an interesting, similar theme. Look at what gave rise to the systems, how they evolved. They may have served admirably in their day. They won’t serve admirably now, and even Trump knows that. We need to impress upon our doubting Thomases: Give Trump credit for (1) making accurate observations, and (2) not being an utter dummox about dynamic situations!
You are intended as a Cc. There is no easy way of doing Cc here on FR. Apologies for the misunderstanding.
I sure tried to answer you.
That is why I get frustrated and tart.
I have posted multiple transcripts, book excerpts ect. I think if you look through posts 38 & 78 there are links to a great deal of material in Trump’s own words, too much detail & context to post in their entirety.
I am OK with toe to toe but it isn’t really what I am looking for. I want to see our country back on track and I think an honest evaluation of the candidates is the best chance to get us there. When I see things at odds with the facts as I understand them I speak up. I respect your right to do the same but I expect the facts to be the deciding point for me and for you at the end of the day. I no more want to see Cruz or Rubio unfairly attacked than Trump.
“We must have universal healthcare,” wrote Trump. “I’m a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses.”
The goal of health care reform, wrote Trump, should be a system that looks a lot like Canada. “Doctors might be paid less than they are now, as is the case in Canada, but they would be able to treat more patients because of the reduction in their paperwork,” he writes.
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-supports-national-health-care-2011-4
Trump Stands By Past Support For Universal Health Care
“I want people taken care of in the country, okay? You can call it anything you want, but I want — including people that don’t have anything,†The Donald told radio host John Fredericks in an interview Wednesday. “We gotta do that.â€
Trump said in 1999 — when he was flirting with a presidential rub on the Reform Party ticket — that the U.S. should make health care an entitlement and that coverage should be universal.
“I would put forward a comprehensive health care program and fund it with an increase in corporate taxes,†Trump said at the time.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/conservative-with-a-heart#.dj4YV7pNv
Donald Trump Supports Single Payer Health Care
http://twomenonabench.com/index.php/2015/08/07/donald-trump-health-care/
Trump Pretty Much Says He Supports Universal Health Care During 60 Minutes Interview
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/09/28/trump-60-minutes-interview-n2057986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwvikFS1vPA
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3313888/posts?page=52
That is an excellent example of a creative solution.
Looking at secondary sources that may have had, in themselves, a delayed picture of Trump (notice how easy it is to get delayed pictures of Trump right here).
Your problem is that you are so bent on damning, you would not know a blessing if it walked up to you and said Hallelujah.
Shadows tend to clutter up rasters, if you have ever studied TV technology....
Odawg, thank you for your post. It gets so tiresome responding to people who intentionally manipulate and misrepresent the positions of others.
JayGalt, you really ought to tone it down a few notches. I think that your type of propaganda might be effective some places, but I assume that here most people here are a little better informed. The funny thing is that all it really accomplishes is providing a good example of the same type of intentional distortions that Cruz himself has made about Trumps current position. You are not doing Cruz any favors. I often wonder if his dropping poll numbers are the result of his own efforts or the efforts of those such as yourself whose antics are found extremely distasteful by most.
Oh, and also towering genius disdains age old wisdom... maybe ole Abe was a little too smart for himself after all. He got a South with a grudge that plagues us to this day.
The Question is: Do you Believe Donald Trumps healthcare proposals?
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