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NEW: Trump, Cruz Face First Test In Virginia Delegate Fight
The Harrisonburg Daily News-Record ^ | April 7, 2016 | The Associated Press

Posted on 04/07/2016 1:57:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Donald Trump dominated Virginia's coal country in the March GOP primary, but Texas Sen. Ted Cruz's strength with party insiders may win him the support of the area's delegates to the Republican National Convention.

Trump's campaign is set to face a crucial first test of its organizational strength in Virginia when state Republicans begin electing delegates Saturday. Those delegates could ultimately help decide who becomes the Republican presidential nominee at a contested national convention.

A few hundred Republicans are set to gather in Wytheville, a town of 8,000 in the state's southwest corner....

(Excerpt) Read more at dailynews-record.com ...


TOPICS: Virginia; Campaign News; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: cruz; delegates; libbyluisaltura; tedcruz; trump; va2016; virginia
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To: Diogenesis

a wolf in sheeps clothing


21 posted on 04/07/2016 2:43:37 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: gwjack

I think many of us are aghast to learn that the rules were set up to allow the GOPe to overrule the voters.

The rules need to change. It seems some states have fair rules and the delegates are based on the primary. Other states have rules that make the primary a sham.


22 posted on 04/07/2016 2:44:58 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: gwjack

I think many of us are aghast to learn that the rules were set up to allow the GOPe to overrule the voters.

The rules need to change. It seems some states have fair rules and the delegates are based on the primary. Other states have rules that make the primary a sham.


23 posted on 04/07/2016 2:44:58 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trump needs to ‘Loosen’ the purse stings a bit and just BUY the delegates, since he clearly can’t negotiate a Better Deal.


24 posted on 04/07/2016 2:48:31 PM PDT by corbe (mystified)
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To: DannyTN

Hi DannyTN,

Thanks for your kind response. Yes, I agree, the rules are a travesty. They certainly need to be re-tooled. But, you and I know, that any changes in the rules will go through the structures of the Republican Party. I guess you could say that there are rules for that. Like Congress, rules are modified/adopted very slowly in the process set up by the party. I fault myself for not doing my own due diligence.

It occurred to me today, hearing Hannity say that if he was a delegate (which he could never be since he isn’t a Republican), he would never waver on voting for the candidate receiving his pledge. The only problem with that is that if all delegates did that, there would never be a nominee. Unless the majority (currently 1237) of delegates was obtained prior to the convention.

I’m already questioning belonging to a political party that has a ramshackle approach.

I wish you only good things, my FRiend.

Gwjack


26 posted on 04/07/2016 2:58:17 PM PDT by gwjack (May God give America His richest blessings.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
So we can lose a few Trump voters if Cruz is elected, or lost 70% of America if Trump is the nominee....Hmmm I wonder which makes more sense?
27 posted on 04/07/2016 3:02:26 PM PDT by Iowa David (Cruz 2016 - Before it's too late)
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To: gwjack

I’m questioning the same thing. I don’t know how long the current rules have been in place. And yes, the delegates do need to be able to bend in a contested election.

The real problem seems to be that the GOPe can put delegates in place that never had any intention of supporting the candidate they were assigned to, except for the required first vote. (I think some states bound them for 2 votes).

We got a glimpse of this with Ron Paul. The difference was that Ron was not a popular candidate, was not winning the popular vote, yet was trying to stack the delegates in his favor. So the delegates adopted rule 40, requiring a majority win in at least 8 states to even be nominated, to disallow Ron the chance to win a contested convention.

This time it’s reversed. We have a popular candidate who is winning most of the states, consistently leads in the polls, and they are trying to stack the delegates against him.

And that has me thinking that Candidates ought to be able to pick there own delegates. And then if there is a contested convention, it’s really the candidates who need to bargain and work it out.


28 posted on 04/07/2016 3:05:38 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But the Cruz campaign is counting on a superior advantage with party insiders, both in Virginia and around the country, to get its preferred delegates elected.

He didn't just get that boost from party insiders. He's been working both sides for two years and people like Levin, Rush, even Hannity have helped Cruz with his fake outsider creds by constantly pushing the insurgent narrative.

But people now see who Cruz is so those who stand by him know they're voting for more of the same and don't care.

29 posted on 04/07/2016 3:09:22 PM PDT by Kenny (e)
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To: gwjack

Is it “stealing” if rules are observed? I think not


Is it “telling the truth” if Lyin Ted says “The will of the voters must be respected” at the very moment he is subverting the votes they cast?


30 posted on 04/07/2016 3:09:22 PM PDT by lodi90 (Clear choice for Conservatives now: TRUMP or lose)
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To: Diogenesis

‘sleazy lawyer.’
Redundancy in it’s purist form!


31 posted on 04/07/2016 3:10:39 PM PDT by GOYAKLA ( Pick-up the pace, I'm eighty!)
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To: Iowa David

So we can lose a few Trump voters if Cruz is elected, or lost 70% of America if Trump is the nominee....Hmmm I wonder which makes more sense?


A few few voters? Trump will be pushing 45% of the primary voting base when this is done. No Trump voters, no GOP. Understand?


32 posted on 04/07/2016 3:12:01 PM PDT by lodi90 (Clear choice for Conservatives now: TRUMP or lose)
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To: Iowa David

Lately the two parties have eliminated the differences between them! Much like another game with no winners!

Stephen Falken: Did you ever play tic-tac-toe?
Jennifer: Yeah, of course.
Stephen Falken: But you don’t anymore.
Jennifer: No.
Stephen Falken: Why?
Jennifer: Because it’s a boring game. It’s always a tie.
Stephen Falken: Exactly. There’s no way to win. The game itself is pointless!
It sure as Hell looks like the SAME OLD S—T!
It’s no longer Benghazi, it’s now Bendover!


34 posted on 04/07/2016 3:33:04 PM PDT by GOYAKLA ( Pick-up the pace, I'm eighty!)
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To: gwjack
Hmmmm. So you would prefer that all, or just some, rules be ignored and thrown out?

Absolutely...A representative Republic doesn't mean you have the right to ignore the majority of the constituents...

A Republican form of gov't is to prevent 'snob' rule as well as 'mob' rule...It is not to thwart the will of the majority but to protect the minority from the will of the majority...

Stealing or making null the votes of the majority by the snobs is NOT the Republican form of gov't found in the Constitution...

The rules were established long before any candidate got in the race. I suppose you would like to start awarding 22 points for touchdowns in the last 2 minutes of the game? Or, perhaps disallowing the trailing team to score any points at all.

Who you trying to kid??? That's exactly what the RNC does with their rules...They wait to sees who's going to win and then they change the rules to benefit themselves...

35 posted on 04/07/2016 3:38:13 PM PDT by Iscool (Trump will Triumph)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Ted Cruz, the sleazy fake Christian wouldn’t understand this verse of the Bible he carries around unopened.


36 posted on 04/07/2016 3:38:18 PM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: gwjack
It occurred to me today, hearing Hannity say that if he was a delegate (which he could never be since he isn’t a Republican), he would never waver on voting for the candidate receiving his pledge. The only problem with that is that if all delegates did that, there would never be a nominee. Unless the majority (currently 1237) of delegates was obtained prior to the convention.

My own opinion on this is that if someone does not win on the first ballot, he should for the next few ballots get the opportunity to make deals to pull him over the margin. If after lets say the fifth ballot, he cannot make it; then he should be barred from future ballots. IMO, that would prevent the accusation of stealing.

I’m already questioning belonging to a political party that has a ramshackle approach.

I would not get too down about this. The demonrat party and parties in other countries are even worse. In most countries, the party just straight up picks the nominee. The democrats have too many superdelegates.



In general, I am willing to allow some degree of superdelegates/party picking delegates. Perhaps what it should be is that the candidate picks 2/3 of the delegates he wins in each state, another 1/6 are picked by the party, and the remaining sixth are picked in some form of caucus.
37 posted on 04/07/2016 3:53:58 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: GOPe Means Bend Over Spell Run
I will vote for the demturds in every race if Cruz and GOPe engage in this theft. Then I will retire early and take my free shit while the GOPe and Cruzers keep working to pay for my free shit.

That's the way it really is...Cruz's GOPe wants to prop up the international moguls and eliminate the middle class, kill of those who can't afford insurance and put as many as possible on Welfare...Then force the people on food stamps to work for the wages of the food stamps...

Bernie/Hillary also wants to eliminate the middle class and have everyone go on Welfare so the gov't can control and take care of everyone...But under their plan everyone lives except old people and unwanted babies...

Trump has the only pro America, pro American (as in U.S.A.) plan that can and will bring back the middle class...The average American is a fool for not supporting Trump...

38 posted on 04/07/2016 3:54:37 PM PDT by Iscool (Trump will Triumph)
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To: Diogenesis

You left out Blood-Sucking Spawn of Satan and Prince of Darkness from your cartoonish description of Ted Cruz. I see a lot of your posts about Cruz and they all evoke an image of you as a foaming at the mouth, red-faced lunatic who is obsessed with the man in a decidedly unhealthy way. If it persists for 4 hours or more, see your doctor.


39 posted on 04/07/2016 3:59:16 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: lodi90

Trump will be pushing 37% of Republican primary voters.

At most half will not vote for Cruz. That is based on polls. So at this point he will lose 4M votes.

Trump loses 15M Republican primary voters and will gain no Democratic votes. 70% of Americans don’t like Trump. In fact Trump is now the most unpopular candidate EVER. He has no plan to finance the general election and no campaign organization. You need an organization in Ohio and Florida now. Why would any sane person want Donald Trump nominated?


40 posted on 04/07/2016 4:13:32 PM PDT by Iowa David (Cruz 2016 - Before it's too late)
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