Posted on 06/04/2016 3:56:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Americans admire protest movements and civil disobedience, but they draw the line at violence, so harassing and beating up Trump supporters could do him a lot of good.
My central supposition about this election is that Donald Trump will lose because most regular middle Americans just won’t vote to make that man their president. This has nothing to do with ideology. It’s just about Trump. Not everyone out there adores Hillary Clinton by a long shot, and I understand well that for a lot of people this is a choice between beef liver and lumpfish, but I just think at the end of the day most people will say, No, I just can’t—I just can’t help make that crude, boorish, vindictive, childish man the president of the United States.
I think this is what will save Clinton—and the country—in the end. But as soon as I think that, I think: But what if I’m wrong? What could make people change their views on Trump, become sympathetic to him?
In theory, a number of things. Trump could stop being crude, boorish, vindictive, and childish. (I said “in theory.”) Clinton could be indicted. The economy could tank. I think those are unlikely—and yes, I saw the jobs report, but it’s early days to start talking about a recession, and it may be a silver lining of the report that it makes the Fed wait longer to raise rates, which most economists I talk to think it should do anyway.
But here’s one thing that’s not a long shot—and is in fact happening right now—that I fear will make Trump a more sympathetic figure to the kinds of Americans I’m talking about: left-wing protestors turning violent and throwing eggs at Trump supporters and burning hats and flags.
Now no doubt, someone has already fired off an abusive tweet at me calling me names and screaming at me that I just want powerless people to STFU, as they say in Twitterland. No, I do not want powerless people to STFU. I emphatically want powerless people to have more power. And the way you get more power in this country is by protesting peacefully, and voting, and doing all those boring things.
And I emphatically don’t want a racist, misogynist, neo-fascist in the Oval Office. But violent protests at his rallies increase the likelihood of us getting exactly that.
The operative word in that previous sentence is violent. Protest, Americans like. It’s in the DNA and all that. Protest got us where we are. It got us the 40-hour work week, the civil rights revolution, the end of the Vietnam war. Occasionally in these instances, things turned violent, especially in the case of labor organizing. But usually, the violence was initiated by those who held the power—the companies, in the case of union organizing, or the state, in the case of civil rights.
In the modem-day American context, it’s not in the interest of the powerless to initiate violence. They’ll always get screwed. Always. They’ll always be blamed by the media, called “rabble-rousers” and “trouble-makers,” and the worst of the footage, like those people throwing eggs at that woman in the Trump football jersey in San Jose, will be shown over and over and over again, giving my regular middle Americans up above reason to think the violence was 50 times worse than it actually was.
And those regular middle Americans will say to each other: “Goodness, Jean, those protestors are just awful, aren’t they?”
“Why, yes they are, Bob. So rude! And dirty, too.”
“That’s not the American way!”
And it will go on from there, and that night after dinner, they’ll flip on CNN (because these are not Fox viewers—an important point) and they’ll see more footage and they’ll see interviews with Trump supporters who were standing there more or less minding their own business and suddenly got their faces punched in, and they’ll work themselves into a reactionary state and decide that maybe a vindictive boor is precisely what those people need.
I guess the thinking of violent protestors is, Trump is a fascist, and the right response to fascism is violence. In some times and some places, yes, it’s been the necessary response. But we’re not anywhere near that point. Trump doesn’t have a private army. Yes, some of his rallies were getting awfully creepy there for a while, and he did inexcusably egg his people on toward violence. But all that has tapered off. If Trump won the presidency and assumed emergency powers, then yeah, I’d understand violence then. Might even advocate for it. But we’re a long way from that.
Instead, we have reached a point where we have to start worrying about the impact of all this. You have to admit—it takes a lot to make Donald Trump look like a victim. But that’s what he’ll look like to middle America if this violence continues. And it will continue.
There is, however, one person who might have the power to end it. No, not Hillary. I mean the candidate the protestors, peaceful and violent alike, undoubtedly admire the most. If this gets much worse, even though none of this is his fault, maybe Bernie Sanders could step up here. That would be actual leadership. [UPDATE: I see that Sanders, to his credit, did denounce the violence and say he didn’t want those kind of supporters.] But they might not listen even to him. Deep down, some of these people probably want Trump, because a Trump victory would confirm their deepest-held belief about what a fascist country this really is. They’ll erase out the part about how they helped make it so.
Trump is a tw0-fer; Keeps the Hildabeast in that lockbox and put the GOPee under the bus.
"I sure wish Barack Obama could run again!"
Tomasky is a leftard scumbag. Nothing wrong with violence against Trump supporters, per se.... it’s just that in present circumstances it might prove counter-productive.
He doesn’t question the morality of the “means” just the effectiveness toward his “ends”....
of course it will elect him. The police always say that the most dangerous calls are domestic violence calls. A man and woman will be fighting, and then when the police show up and there is an outside threat, they both turn on the cops. if the mexicans and blacks keep getting uppity, Trump is a shoe in. If someone is killed, he’s in for 8 years
Regular middle Americans are watching Mexican flag waving illegal aliens attack American citizens exercising their 1st Amendment right to assembly.
It’s going to elect Trump and they know it.
I just can’t help make that crude, boorish, vindictive, childish man the president of the United States.
Sounds like he is describing Obama
The isolated know-it-all crowd don’t think like the rest of the world. hillary is the beast a lot of people hate, for a lot of different reasons, but it’s real hate. Trump is the personality that people love to hate, but it isn’t really hate. Besides which, Trump grows on people as they catch on to his sly humor.
Except Americans do not draw the line at violence when that violence goes unchecked.
The 1960s and 70s saw our nation cower before the twin barrels of pro-Soviet (aka antiwar) terror and unprecedented urban rioting (and terror).
Rather than deal firmly with these threats, Americans chose to acquiesce to the agendas of the evil men and women behind them.
For those too young to remember the horror of these threats you might look into the lives and crimes of two people: William Ayers and Angela Davis.
Terrible things they did, but America chose not to fight them and those like them. Instead the cowards in power surrendered in a myriad of ways, some great and some small, the detrimental outcomes of which have dragged our nation to the precipice on which today we stand.
You’ve stepped over the line.
So he’d rather run out and vote for a treasonous felon then take a chance on Trump?
I so much enjoy reading the incoherent ramblings of a cornered Soros fascist rat. So, 2ndDivVet, do we throw this seditious puke in prison or ship him one-way to North Korea?
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Tomasky is a rabid Hillary shoe-sniffer. Why the hell post his crap here?
Then don't vote for Herself.
And they didn't come out against it right away.
They came out against it after 24 hours or so.
In other words, after they saw the polling results.
That's the essence of it. Two words for all of these high-anxiety, pearl-clutching pajamaboi Journ-O-Listers: run, bitches.
Have I ever told you what to post?
They know it. Sanders and Obama know it. They all came out with statements condemning it (Hillary Clinton is still waiting for her polling to come back on the violence before taking a position).
If it did not represent a serious backlash factor from the violence they would have said nothing about it.
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