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Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack
News Max.Com ^ | 11-21-03

Posted on 11/20/2003 5:14:53 PM PST by hope

Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack

John O. Edwards, NewsMax.com
Friday, Nov. 21, 2003
Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government.

Franks, who successfully led the U.S. military operation to liberate Iraq, expressed his worries in an extensive interview he gave to the men’s lifestyle magazine Cigar Aficionado.

In the magazine’s December edition, the former commander of the military’s Central Command warned that if terrorists succeeded in using a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) against the U.S. or one of our allies, it would likely have catastrophic consequences for our cherished republican form of government.

Discussing the hypothetical dangers posed to the U.S. in the wake of Sept. 11, Franks said that “the worst thing that could happen” is if terrorists acquire and then use a biological, chemical or nuclear weapon that inflicts heavy casualties.

If that happens, Franks said, “... the Western world, the free world, loses what it cherishes most, and that is freedom and liberty we’ve seen for a couple of hundred years in this grand experiment that we call democracy.”

Franks then offered “in a practical sense” what he thinks would happen in the aftermath of such an attack.

“It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world – it may be in the United States of America – that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps, very, very important.”

Franks didn’t speculate about how soon such an event might take place.

Already, critics of the U.S. Patriot Act, rushed through Congress in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, have argued that the law aims to curtail civil liberties and sets a dangerous precedent.

But Franks’ scenario goes much further. He is the first high-ranking official to openly speculate that the Constitution could be scrapped in favor of a military form of government.

The usually camera-shy Franks retired from U.S. Central Command, known in Pentagon lingo as CentCom, in August 2003, after serving nearly four decades in the Army.

Franks earned three Purple Hearts for combat wounds and three Bronze Stars for valor. Known as a “soldier’s general,” Franks made his mark as a top commander during the U.S.’s successful Operation Desert Storm, which liberated Kuwait in 1991. He was in charge of CentCom when Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda attacked the United States on Sept. 11.

Franks said that within hours of the attacks, he was given orders to prepare to root out the Taliban in Afghanistan and to capture bin Laden.

Franks offered his assessment on a number of topics to Cigar Aficionado, including:

President Bush: “As I look at President Bush, I think he will ultimately be judged as a man of extremely high character. A very thoughtful man, not having been appraised properly by those who would say he’s not very smart. I find the contrary. I think he’s very, very bright. And I suspect that he’ll be judged as a man who led this country through a crease in history effectively. Probably we’ll think of him in years to come as an American hero.”

On the motivation for the Iraq war: Contrary to claims that top Pentagon brass opposed the invasion of Iraq, Franks said he wholeheartedly agreed with the president’s decision to invade Iraq and oust Saddam Hussein.

“I, for one, begin with intent. ... There is no question that Saddam Hussein had intent to do harm to the Western alliance and to the United States of America. That intent is confirmed in a great many of his speeches, his commentary, the words that have come out of the Iraqi regime over the last dozen or so years. So we have intent.

“If we know for sure ... that a regime has intent to do harm to this country, and if we have something beyond a reasonable doubt that this particular regime may have the wherewithal with which to execute the intent, what are our actions and orders as leaders in this country?”

The Pentagon’s deck of cards: Asked how the Pentagon decided to put its most-wanted Iraqis on a set of playing cards, Franks explained its genesis. He recalled that when his staff identified the most notorious Iraqis the U.S. wanted to capture, “it just turned out that the number happened to be about the same as a deck of cards. And so somebody said, ‘Aha, this will be the ace of spades.’”

Capturing Saddam: Franks said he was not surprised that Saddam has not been captured or killed. But he says he will eventually be found, perhaps sooner than Osama bin laden.

“The capture or killing of Saddam Hussein will be a near term thing. And I won’t say that’ll be within 19 or 43 days. ... I believe it is inevitable.”

Franks ended his interview with a less-than-optimistic note. “It’s not in the history of civilization for peace ever to reign. Never has in the history of man. ... I doubt that we’ll ever have a time when the world will actually be at peace.”

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KEYWORDS: constitution; napalminthemorning; tommyfranks; wmd; wot
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To: hope
What is so sad about this is that it will take something like this to get serious about home security. Why won't they close the borders? Why are they waiting? Something like Franks is talking about can be avoided if they will just act!
341 posted on 11/21/2003 12:03:54 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: Eastbound
The fact that the islamo-terrorists are now even killing Muslims should be proof enough. Muslims are badly in need of a wake-up call. Islamo-crazies are not their friend, nor are they of Islam.
342 posted on 11/21/2003 12:07:19 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: hope; Travis McGee; archy
Time for an old chestnut.

http://digilander.libero.it/buddhanbones/coup.html

The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012
343 posted on 11/21/2003 12:13:45 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: NittanyLion
I watched some constitutional scholars give testimony to a Congressional committee a few weeks ago about what the constitution says about the line of succession. They basically all said that this is a constitutional disaster waiting to happen. It has been addressed then changed a lot of times. But there's a lot of ambiguity there now. There could easily be a scramble for the presidency. Very frightening stuff.
344 posted on 11/21/2003 12:19:46 PM PST by twigs
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To: Cvengr
Please see Post #299.

Regards,
Calamari
345 posted on 11/21/2003 12:38:58 PM PST by Calamari
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To: Prodigal Son
Who's the other one (besides Dean)?

Well, I am thinking of Clark as a viable candidate. I am probably wrong.
346 posted on 11/21/2003 12:40:11 PM PST by bluejay
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To: visualops
Which 2 candidates have said they would suspend the Constitution [under certain circumstances]? Franks is speculating on a given scenario, not on what his personal actions would be, and he's not running for President. I don't know his party affiliation but I doubt he's a Dem.

Sorry, my mistake - I must be watching too much primary coverage. I thought the column referred to Clark.
347 posted on 11/21/2003 12:49:13 PM PST by bluejay
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To: Happy2BMe

348 posted on 11/21/2003 12:54:24 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (http://richard.meek.home.comcast.net/SorosClintoon.JPG)
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To: Normal4me
I read this as to mean the citizens would bare arms to protect our country.

I don't know how tank-tops will help. ;-)

Seriously, there will be a substantial number who will bear arms to defend the Constitution, while another faction(the larger one) will be wailing for protection at all costs, freedom be damned. The hopeful part of that scenerio will be that the faction who want freedom, will be the better armed one, and will get it's way.

349 posted on 11/21/2003 1:16:34 PM PST by StriperSniper (The "mainstream" media is a left bank oxbow lake.)
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To: StriperSniper
Heh...happy hour typo. :-)
350 posted on 11/21/2003 1:32:30 PM PST by Normal4me
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To: Normal4me
Heh...happy hour typo. :-)

Have one for me! ;-)

351 posted on 11/21/2003 1:44:19 PM PST by StriperSniper (The "mainstream" media is a left bank oxbow lake.)
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bump for further discussion
352 posted on 11/21/2003 3:31:32 PM PST by Prodigal Son ("Fundamentalist Left". It's a great meme. Spread it.)
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To: B4Ranch
My kids aren't over 45.
353 posted on 11/21/2003 3:53:13 PM PST by visualops (Nothing is fool-proof to a talented fool.)
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To: bluejay
Still, have any of the Dem candidates said they would do any such thing? I would think that would be the last thing they would say, given how much they like calling Bush and the Republicans the militaristic war-mongering fascists who are going to declare martial law and take away all your rights.
354 posted on 11/21/2003 3:57:05 PM PST by visualops (Nothing is fool-proof to a talented fool.)
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To: visualops
Still, have any of the Dem candidates said they would do any such thing? I would think that would be the last thing they would say, given how much they like calling Bush and the Republicans the militaristic war-mongering fascists who are going to declare martial law and take away all your rights.

I can well believe that a Democrat could do some thing like this. Take a look at today's Opinion Journal. They have an excerpt from a column published in Hawaii's Star Bulletin. The column ends with a statement that certain things should not be decided by a democratic vote but by a judicial fiat. You are probably right - a Democrat would not suspend the Constitution in order to install a military government. A modern Democrat could, however, suspend (or at least bypass) the Constitution in order to install a government by well-informed and well-meaning intellectuals.
355 posted on 11/21/2003 4:19:29 PM PST by bluejay
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To: visualops
#326
356 posted on 11/21/2003 4:24:22 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, dont waive your rights!)
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To: Myrddin
All soldiers vow to defend the constitution.
359 posted on 11/21/2003 5:02:31 PM PST by NeonKnight
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To: txflake
"Military men don't typically publicly entertain such thoughts unless they're quite sure it's possible or probable.
I think he's trying to warn us, and this scares me."


good point. I just want to get through 2003. I think that'll be a sign that the enemy is reeling. they want to hit us this year. that asshole in Gaza has been predicting it; a lot of plugged in enemy types have been jawing about popping us hard this year.

Musharref started conditioning his people to the notion that part of their country could be looking at some serious bombing from the combined armed forces of the USA today. Something's been up for a while. We get about .02% of what is really happening.
360 posted on 11/21/2003 5:11:13 PM PST by kinghorse
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