I'm Looking for "Patriot Act" Success Stories

[PureSolace]

All week long I've been talking with other students at the school I go to about the pros and cons of the Patriot Act, and I was wondering if any freepers had any information to contribute. Does anyone have a list of success stories or embarrassments because of the Patriot Act? From the searches that I've done it seems most of the websites on the net are anti Patriot Act because they say it can be abused and target regular everyday citizens, and even peaceful protesters? (That one baffled me) Anyway, Any information or insight you guys can give would be wonderful. Thanks :)

[JohnGalt]

Statist propoganda has eroded your ability to think outside the narrow parameters the gubmint tolerates.

I suggested that airlines should be allowed to compete on whatever security measures they choose and we shall see how the marketplace responds.

If you choose not to invest your money or your consumption with an airline that is protected by your fellow heat packing Americans but rather choose to fly airplanes that vigorous security system we all know an love, Good Luck with all that, but I put my trust in the Todd Beamers of the world not the hysterical fear mongers you follow like Sarah Brady.

[Steel Wolf]

Does anyone have a list of success stories or embarrassments because of the Patriot Act?

Since this is your question, let me address it like this. Intelligence is like auto insurance. You never really know if it works until something goes wrong. If you have good insurance, then it's okay, because you're covered. If you have bad insurance, then you're screwed.

You have to constantly pay for coverage. You can decide that you're getting ripped off and pay less, or decide to upgrade for more coverage. It's up to you, it's your money (and/or privacy).

Now, if your question is, are we getting a good deal for our payments, then that is debatable. To stop terrorism, we can either hide at home and single out everyone who is a terror threat, destroy everyone overseas who may be a terror threat, or take the middle road. The Patriot Act et al, plus Afghanistan and Iraq, are good middle of the road moves.

[GingisK]

What is a suicide jihadist decides to start randomly shooting out windows, with a gun he was allowed to bring on the plane?

The rest of the citizens on the plane will kill him. By the way, explosive decompression due to a small hole in the plane is a hollywood movie myth. Air just leaks out of the hole like anywhere there is a pressure differential and a "hole".

[freeeee]

Who needs logical consistency when we can all act stupid and call names?

And animated gifs, because neat namecalling graphics make all your logic and facts old and busted! ( This message brought to you by the same people who brought you the 10 second sound byte. )

[Guillermo]

Well, since there is no metal detector, screw the gun, he can just blow himself up with a suicide belt.

[danneskjold]

You are probably one of those Leftwing girly men who so hysterically feared the cave dwellers that you supported a $200 billion debt financed war fought by teenage girls from West Virginia.

yeah...that's exactly what happened in Iraq...

[TLI]

Let's see a specific case where a terrorist attack was prevented by applying a specific provision of the Patriot Act, and where absent that provision the attack would have happened.

You are probably in for a V - E - R - Y long wait.

[VaBthang4]

What I find obsolute is bitter, contrarian kneejerk whining when any form of US Government be it Democrat or Republican moves an inch.

Some of you losers need to get a life....you can go march around your front yards, wearing your knickers and armed with your trusty muskets...

Meanwhile the rest of us are living in 2003 and face a credible threat of Nuclear, Chemical or Biological Terrorism....[and idiots like you].


Nitwits.

[Jim Cane]

The hell with VaB . . . I'll give you $100 for it!

Such a delicate creature! It's gold with silver chunks, exquisitely fashioned with a hatchet, if that whets your appetite any. :^)

[JohnGalt]

That is what happened.

[Publius6961]

I'm Looking for "Patriot Act" Success Stories

I'm not.
Other than "nothing" happened today.

Why start a school for terrorists? What better learning tool for them than analyzing successful prevention?

[Your Nightmare]

Didn't they just bust a strip club owner using the Patriot Act? Does that count?

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20031111-105229-3871r.htm

[NittanyLion]

Exactly. Long, involved arguments using facts and logic and stuff are so trite. Besides, they make my brain hurt.

[af_vet_rr]

When was the most recent terrorist attack on US soil previous to 9/11?

I consider the USS Cole, the embassies, etc. to be US soil, so the answer would be just a few short years before, during Clinton's term (and directly on US soil, we had the WTC bombing and the OKC bombing).

That said, I find it hard to say the WoT is all that successful when it seems like a lot of sentences handed out for terrorist-related activities are light. I don't feel any safer because of them (if they were such a threat the government should have a strong enough case to put them away for life).

[dead]

explosive decompression due to a small hole in the plane is a hollywood movie myth

It’s like “If you wake up that sleepwalker you'll give him lockjaw!” or “You have to keep him on the line for ten minutes so we can trace the call!”

Little laws that were invented for added excitement or sight gags.

[Jimmy Valentine's brother]

Believe the Lackawana six are the result of the Patriot act.

[VaBthang4]

sorry.... "obsolete".

[Steel Wolf]

Isn't it amazing how we allowed 19 men with box cutters to change our lives so dramatically. We've given them so much power over us.

Who's life has been more dramatically changed? Yours, or Mullah Omars?

Our response to 9/11 domestically has been very, very mild. Most of the discomfort is at the airport (admittedly, airport security is still a joke). I just cringe when I hear people talk about the Patriot Act and Ashcroft like they are conspiring to drag them off to the gulag.

[Protagoras]

[meenie]

We have terrorist incidents happen every day in the United States. If the rapists and child molesters are not terrorists, what are they? They should be given every bit as much consideration as any overseas terrorist.