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To: AAABEST
Genocide is the likely result, though.

I am not saying anything about the relative merits of Christianity vs. Islam. I am saying that at least as I understand it, people in the United States are free to practice whichever one they choose, and I think that perseuction or "holy war" against them because of their choice is WRONG.

If someone uses ANY religion to justify murder, they need to be prosecuted and put away. I don't care WHAT religion is twisted for that sick purpose.
57 posted on 12/09/2003 9:19:00 AM PST by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: hchutch; AAABEST
If someone uses ANY religion to justify murder, they need to be prosecuted and put away. I don't care WHAT religion is twisted for that sick purpose.

You're assuming a fact not in evidence, that Islam has been twisted to justify murder.

Islam has to be twisted not to justify murder. Mohammed was a murderer. Islam is murderous from the start.

A crusade against Islam is self-defense against jihad, and always has been.

Your comparision of Islam being akin to Japanese heritage does not make for an apt analogy. Islam is far more akin to Nazism, had the Third Reich actually lasted a thousand years.

This is where the First Amendment offers only phantom refuge for the apologists for Islam. Does the Constitution give comfort to practitioners of a religion which, in historical practice and the stated intent of it's "holy book," desires to overthrow the Constitution and force America to submit to Sharia law? If a religion's purpose is to overthrow the Constitution, can practitioners of that religion cite that very Constitution to gleen protection, and by consequence, aid and comfort, from the people of our government who have sworn to uphold the Constitution?

Shall the First Amendment compel us to aid those who, should they gain power, would undo the First Amendment and the rest of the Constitution, in a Mohammedan heartbeat?

Of course not.


66 posted on 12/09/2003 9:39:58 AM PST by Sabertooth (Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
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To: hchutch
I am not saying anything about the relative merits of Christianity vs. Islam. I am saying that at least as I understand it, people in the United States are free to practice whichever one they choose, and I think that perseuction or "holy war" against them because of their choice is WRONG.

Unless you are naive beyond belief, you are well aware that most people do not "choose" their religion but are born into it and taught its absolute truth from their youngest days. Do you really believe most Americans magically "choose" what they believe to be Absolute Truth?

If someone uses ANY religion to justify murder, they need to be prosecuted and put away. I don't care WHAT religion is twisted for that sick purpose.

This as well as your your other statements show you to be an agnostic with no concept of religions claiming to be true. In case you haven't noticed, G-d Himself ordered the extermination of the Amaleqites and the Seven Nations of Canaan in the Torah (which you no doubt regard as a bloodthirsty mythology cooked up by priests to give their own irrational prejudices the sanction of religion). I suppose you would put Joshua on trial for "genocide."

The American/enlightenment view of religion as a subjective feel-good personal moral code (influenced by ethno-culture if by anything) with no absolute or objective truth claims is a historical novelty unknown to anything calling itself "religion" prior to the the past two or three hundred years--not even an eye-blink in human history.

And before you start making negative moral judgments against "atrocities" committed in obedience to G-d, please be aware that I am a Theonomic Positivist to whom good and evil are determined by Divine decree and not by the "progressive development" of the human conscience over the past few centuries.

And before you accuse me of using G-d as an excuse to enforce my own "hang-ups," I wasn't even around 3315-plus years ago. Besides, I notice that someone's "moral hang-ups" always wind up with the force of law anyway. Is it not more logical that the "hang-ups" with the force of law should be those of the Creator of the Universe rather than those of any individual human being or combination of human beings?

And before you say "there's no way to determine what the objectively true religion is," you're wrong, but that's too complicated for this post. Most people have never even heard the case for the true religion (Torah) even though they believe it "used to be" the true religion at one time in the past.

Don't tell me--I'm no different than Osama Bin Laden(mach shemo). Apparently every person who is so backward as to believe that there is a one objectively true religion out there somewhere fits that description for you.

134 posted on 12/09/2003 7:48:55 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (G-d's laws or none!!!)
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