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Call me a starry-eyed optimist, but I have to believe there are still men out there who want to get married for reasons other than sex, and who want a conservative wife who doesn't believe in divorce.

Marriage isn't just about sex. Or kids, for that matter, though that's certainly a big part of why I want to get married.

The only reason to get married in America today is if your biological urge to reproduce is so strong that you must, then do it right in a two parent family.

I liken marriage in America to the Salmon, who battle upstream, dodge predators, build a nest, and spawn - then reap the reward of rotting on the beach as bear / bird food!

Marriage is deeply rooted in the social order. When the social order breaks down, starting with the breakup of extended families, it's just a matter of time before we end up with a society consisting of very loosely affiliated individuals. The long term consequences are easy to discern. Those subcultures that continue along traditional pathways (e.g. muslims) will outpopulate the rest over time. This is nature's self-adjusting mechanism for insuring that families and children will continue

Call me a starry-eyed optimist, but I have to believe there are still men out there who want to get married for reasons other than sex, and who want a conservative wife who doesn't believe in divorce.

Sure, we want that. But more than half of marriages end in divorce and women are the ones who file for the divorce more than 2/3 of the time. Ever see what happens to men, especially fathers, who end up in divorce court? They find out in a big hurry that they have no rights whatsoever, only privilages. Blacks in the south during the 1950's got better treatment than men do today in "family" court.

Call me a starry-eyed optimist...

You're a starry-eyed optimist. There, I said it. :-P

Now, I too would like to think there are nice conservative women out there, ready for a lifelong relationship in which divorce is not an option. In my experience, I have seen a lot of sickness out there in this society, most coming from a lack of respect. A lot of folks out there seem to lack basic respect for themselves, for others, for family, and for our heritage. All of this I think is a result of a society that caves under the pressure of socialism and political correctness. We have become afraid to stand up and proclaim what is right, and what is wrong. Until we make a stand, this problem can only get worse.

With that being said, I believe my chances of finding someone compatible are slim to none, and that the "perfect" woman is just a fantasy. I realize that marriage and relationships are hard work, sometimes causing problems in need of two dedicated people to work through them. But it seems like most people out there are quick to blame others for their own problems and do not want to take responsibility for anything.

You said that marriage is not just about sex or kids. The truth is that people are selfishly going into the union without any concept of the big picture.

I have to believe there are still men out there who want to get married for reasons other than sex, and who want a conservative wife who doesn't believe in divorce.

Ohhh, we're out here, there are a few of us left. I just continue to work hard and believe in my gut, eventually God will (simply put, he'll have to) put someone in my path who thinks/acts/believes 'certainly in the same ballpark' as I do, because I don't have the time---rather, I don't intentionally make/take the time to go and look anymore. I do live vicariously through my 4 nieces and nephews though, who absolutely love their uncle, graciously accept everything I give them/share with them, and don't have 'an angle', as many single females here in L.A. do. (God are you listening? There's still hope, right? LOLOLOLOL)

I sure hope so. But some of the comments made by men on this thread validate the reason I'm still single.

If I get married, I want it to be for the long haul. I want to be equally yoked as a Christian and I want a "manly-man," not one of those whiny metrosexuals.

So many single men in my age group just act like overgrown teenagers.

No, but keeping a man happy has a lot to do with sex. In a lot of marriages, it had a lot to do with attracting men in the first place.

The denial that most married women live under is that marriage is supposed to some how dull a man's appetite for sex. Men have hormones too, and hormones drive a man's desire to want to have sex.

So women can joke around about PMS, they can write about the baby itch, but when men wonder what the hell happened to sex after "I do" we are just insensitive pigs.

It is amazing what an unsolicited, unanticipated sex act can do for men in a marriage. It doesn't cost anything, and the upside for the female partner in terms of the enthusiasm with which the man will hit the 'honey-do' list will stagger the mind.

I have to say, marriage is a risky proposition nowadays. No one is willing to eat the 'barrel of salt' and really find out who they are marrying anymore. Most women are on a deadline, and end up pushing guys before they are ready.

Most guys who are 'normal' will ask a girl to marry once they realize that they can't see going through life without this woman.

It certainly isn't about sex, but it is about building a friendship, and friendship is about taking a new measure of the person each time you see them. To most women, men are a career goal.