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To: Brad Cloven
Positively Clintonesque!

That is nothing more than a personal attack. Can you not debate the message? The message is ""if you treat them with reckless disdain, they will cling. Men - unless you have some need to make and raise children, stay single and enjoy life. It's a Baskin Robbins world of women out there - every size, shape, color, behaviour just waiting to be sampled."

And, as a standard of behavior, this is true. Consider the attractive women that flock to the 'bad boys', the 'bikers'. Women are taught and think that they can 'change' men to be whatever they want. It's a challenge to them. But, once they change the person, they come to realize he is no longer the person they fell in love with, and drop him. Thus, the messenger presents a conditioned and learned response. Do not change, keep presenting the challenge. You may not like the method, it's cold and mean; but so is divorce and losing half of your belongings (plus a percentage of your paycheck until she decides to marry again).

34 posted on 12/11/2003 8:55:21 AM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hodar; Brad Cloven; RosieCotton
There are insecure men who want to do the Pygmalion thing, and see the woman they settle down with as Eliza Dolittle, too. I have personally had the unpleasant experience twice-three times if you count the fiance who wished I were "white" instead of of hispanic ancestry, and actually tried to get me to pretend it wasn't so. My ex-husband spent 20 years trying to make me into his ideal (weak, obedient sexpot in 'ho clothes) woman until I got totally tired of it, his cheating, and him. And yes, I got the lion's share of the community property because he had disposed of a great deal of money and property without my signature. Texas is not an alimony state, and I didn't want anything else from him, anyway-I have always worked for my money. When another man started doing the same thing, chapter and verse, I broke the engagement in record time. I married my best friend shortly afterward, and have been happy ever since. We have no reason to try to change each other, and besides, we know each other well enough to realize that it would be impossible-we just treat one another like the equals we are. I honestly think if you marry a friend (an equal) issues like change probably won't come up-but if they do, you are buddies, so you can talk about it and no one will be running to a lawyer looking to screw the other.
53 posted on 12/11/2003 9:14:53 AM PST by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line..)
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