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Iranian Alert -- December 22, 2003 -- IRAN LIVE THREAD
The Iranian Student Movement Up To The Minute Reports ^ | 12.22.2003 | DoctorZin

Posted on 12/22/2003 12:04:25 AM PST by DoctorZIn

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US Making Progress in Reshaping the Region

December 21, 2003
Reuters
Jonathan Wright

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21 posted on 12/22/2003 1:02:58 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Gadhafi Urges Iran, N Korea, Syria To Follow Libya

December 22, 2003
Dow Jones Newswires
Nasdaq Headlines

NEW YORK -- Saying the world is a changed place and Libya wants to be part of it, Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi said Monday Iran, North Korea, and Syria would save themselves a lot of trouble if they followed his example and renounced weapons of mass destruction.

In an interview in Libya with the Cable News Network, Gadhafi denied that he had bought long-range Scud missiles from North Korea. According to CNN, the Libyan leader said his country had what he called some meaningless cooperation on machinery and equipment with North Korea.

Gadhafi told CNN Libya had a weapons of mass destruction program but didn't have any actual weapons.

CNN said he made a point of saying Libya's weapons technology wasn't as far advanced as some reports have suggested.

Late Friday, U.S. President George W. Bush and U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair announced that Libya had agreed to renounce weapons of mass destruction and to allow international inspectors into the country.

When asked by CNN, what he hoped to gain by his decision, Gadhafi said he hoped for investments, particularly in the oil industry.

Was his move influenced by what has happened to deposed Iraqi President Saddam Hussein? CNN reported the Libyan leader said what the U.S. had done to Saddam had brought the ex-Iraqi leader a lot of sympathy in the Arab world.

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22 posted on 12/22/2003 1:03:40 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Democracy and the Enemies Of Freedom

December 22, 2003
The Wall Street Journal
Bernard Lewis

The American military intervention in Afghanistan and then in Iraq has had two declared objectives: the first and more immediate, to deter and defeat terrorism; the second, to bring freedom, sometimes called democracy, to the peoples of these countries and beyond.

The sponsors and organizers of terrorism are of two kinds, with very different purposes, even though they can and frequently do cooperate. One of the two is local or regional, and consists of survivors of the former Iraqi regime, encouraged and supported by the governments of other countries in the region that feel endangered by what might happen in Iraq. The aim of these groups is to protect -- or, in the case of Iraq, restore -- the tyrannies under which these countries have lived so long. If, as many urge, the Americans decide to abandon this costly and troublesome operation and simply go home, this might just possibly be enough to satisfy the local sponsors of terror. Some of them might even offer the resumption of what passes for friendly relations.

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But there are others who would see the eviction of the Americans from Afghanistan and Iraq not as the end but as the beginning -- as a victory not in a war but in a battle, one step in a longer and wider war that must be pursued until the final and global victory.

The Americans too, have proclaimed a larger and longer purpose for their intervention; not just to defeat and end terrorism, but to give to the long-oppressed peoples of Afghanistan, Iraq and eventually other countries the opportunity to end the corrupt and oppressive regimes under which they have suffered for decades, and to restore or create a political order respected by and answerable to the people. This goal evokes strong support among many in the region. But, because of both past experience and current discourse, that support is understandably wary.

Certainly, the creation of a democracy in the Middle East will not be quick or easy, any more than it was in Europe or the Americas. There, too, it must come in gradual stages. Going too far, too fast would give an immediate advantage to those skilled in the arts of manipulation and of intimidation. As the example of Algeria demonstrates, it can even lead to a violent clash between the two.

The kind of dictatorship that exists in the Middle East today has to no small extent been the result of modernization, more specifically of European influence and example. This included the only European political model that really worked in the Middle East -- that of the one-party state, either in the Nazi or the communist version, which did not differ greatly from one another. In these systems, the party is not, as in the West, an organization for attracting votes and winning elections. It is part of the apparatus of government, particularly concerned with indoctrination and enforcement. The Baath Party has a double ancestry, both fascist and communist, and still represents both trends very well.

But beyond these there are older traditions, well represented in both the political literature and political experience of the Islamic Middle East: traditions of government under law, by consent, even by contract.

Changes in the spirit of these traditions would offer an opportunity to other versions of Islam besides the fanatical and intolerant creed of the terrorists. Though at present widely held and richly endowed, this version is far from representative of mainstream Islam through the centuries. The traditions of command and obedience are indeed deep-rooted, but there are other elements in Islamic tradition that could contribute to a more open and freer form of government: the rejection by the traditional jurists of despotic and arbitrary rule in favor of contract in the formation and consensus in the conduct of government; and their insistence that the mightiest of rulers, no less than the humblest of his servants, is bound by the law.

Another element is the acceptance, indeed, the requirement of tolerance, embodied in such dicta as the Quranic verse "there is no compulsion in religion," and the early tradition "diversity in my community is God's mercy." This is carried a step further in the Sufi ideal of dialogue between faiths in a common search for the fulfillment of shared aspirations.

The attempt to bring freedom to the Middle East evokes two fears: one in the U.S. and still more in Europe, that it will fail; and the other, among many of the present rulers of the region, that it will succeed.

Certainly, policies of political liberalization in Afghanistan and in Iraq offer a mortal threat to regimes that can survive only by tyranny at home and terror abroad. The enemies of freedom are dangerous; unrestrained by any kind of scruple and unhampered by either compunction or compassion, even for their own people. They are willing to use not just individuals and families, but whole nations as suicide bombers to be sacrificed as required in order to defeat and eject the infidel enemy and establish their own supremacy.

The creation of a free society, as the history of existing democracies in the world makes clear, is no easy matter. The experience of the Turkish republic over the last half century and of some other Muslim countries more recently has demonstrated two things: first, that it is indeed very difficult to create a democracy in such a society, and second, that although difficult, it is not impossible.

The study of Islamic history and of the vast and rich Islamic political literature encourages the belief that it may well be possible to develop democratic institutions -- not necessarily in our Western definition of that much misused term, but in one deriving from their own history and culture, and ensuring, in their way, limited government under law, consultation and openness, in a civilized and humane society. There is enough in the traditional culture of Islam on the one hand and the modern experience of the Muslim peoples on the other to provide the basis for an advance towards freedom in the true sense of that word.

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Even after the arrest of Saddam Hussein this week, the forces of tyranny and terror remain very strong and the outcome is still far from certain. But as the struggle rages and intensifies, certain things that were previously obscure are becoming clear. The war against terror and the quest for freedom are inextricably linked, and neither can succeed without the other. The struggle is no longer limited to one or two countries, as some Westerners still manage to believe. It has acquired first a regional and then a global dimension, with profound consequences for all of us.

If freedom fails and terror triumphs, the peoples of Islam will be the first and greatest victims. They will not be alone, and many others will suffer with them.

Mr. Lewis, professor emeritus of history at Princeton, is the author of "The Crisis of Islam" and "From Babel to Dragomans," out in the Spring from Random House Trade Paperback and the Oxford University Press, respectively.

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23 posted on 12/22/2003 1:05:27 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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"I Remember Muammar"

Me too. Not fondly.

24 posted on 12/22/2003 1:27:30 PM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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CAN GADDAFI BE TRUSTED?

Of Course NOT
25 posted on 12/22/2003 7:08:53 PM PST by nuconvert
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26 posted on 12/23/2003 12:05:26 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Thanks for the ping!
27 posted on 12/23/2003 12:19:37 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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Bump!
28 posted on 12/23/2003 8:41:03 PM PST by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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