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Rumbling on the Hard-Right
The Washington Times ^ | December 30, 2003 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 12/30/2003 11:44:49 AM PST by GunsareOK

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:41:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

President Bush is beginning to anger certain hard-line conservatives, particularly over fiscal issues, the way his father did in the year before he lost to Bill Clinton in 1992.

It's not clear how deep the dissatisfaction goes, and whether it will translate to damage at the polls in November.


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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; 2004elections; bush; conservativevote; cutnosespiteface; electionpresident; gwb2004; twopercenters; votegfordean; wastedvotes
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
Since Bush's reelection is all but guaranteed, it does not matter.

Now we're getting to the heart of the matter. In the 2004 in which Bush does win, sure, there's no reason not to vote your conscience.

But what if he doesn't win? I'm not nearly as confident as you are.

281 posted on 12/30/2003 2:50:41 PM PST by pogo101
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To: !1776!
"Yeah, 70 - 80 years is mid-life. They probably got another 100,000 - 250,000 miles in 'em."

The justices have the best doctors and the best medications in the free world, and live lives of privilidge.

The odds of an activist judge dying are miniscule.

The reality is that Bush will never appoint 1 judge, and all the judges being held up now are doomed to the Bork legacy.


282 posted on 12/30/2003 2:50:44 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
The admin did not do it for the middle class

I'm middle class, I got a tax cut. You think we should all have gotten the same tax cut, you know, spread the wealth around a little more?

283 posted on 12/30/2003 2:50:54 PM PST by !1776!
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To: GunsareOK
I find myself in the same boat.
284 posted on 12/30/2003 2:55:36 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Muleteam1
Having now read the 250-plus replies in this unworthy thread, I now detect that conservatives here are caught in a trap of their own making and chewing at their leg.

Ever hear the joke about the Polish coyote (for the PC-minded here, I have Polish ancestors ;>)?

'Chewed 3 legs off, and was still stuck in the trap.'

;>)

(Ever hear the joke about the "broken-glass Republican" coyote? 'Chewed 3 legs off, and was still stuck in the trap'... ;>)

;>)

285 posted on 12/30/2003 2:56:45 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("COME AND TAKE IT!" - Battle of Gonzales, Texas Revolution, 1835)
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To: CA Conservative
I suspect Bush would get a chance to make an appointment in a second term. Unfortunately, since I'm convinced it'll be Gonzales, he still won't have appointed a conservative. Whether Gonzales is an improvement will depend on who he replaces.
286 posted on 12/30/2003 2:56:51 PM PST by caltrop
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To: !1776!
I will not be branded a socialist for pointing out that illegals given the green light to overrun lower/middle class neighborhoods in the name of "jobs for companies" is WRONG.
287 posted on 12/30/2003 2:58:58 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: Lael
"And the Republicans insist on ignoring "the Elephant in the Room"!!"

or "F the middle class"


288 posted on 12/30/2003 3:00:40 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: CA Conservative
Kindly keep in mind that the only way the [AW] ban will be renewed is if Congress passes an extension.

Gee, where have we heard THAT before? Campaign Finanace Reform? Looks like that plan failed there. Why on earth would you support that strategy once again?!?

If that happens, will you vote against your representative and senator as well?

Hell yes!

And exactly what would you have Bush do differently with regard to border control, keeping in mind the budget restrictions he has to work with?

Oh, gee, I don't know, how about enforcing the laws already in place with the officers who are paid to do so? Is that so difficult?

We do not live in a monarchy or dictatorship, so anything Bush wants to accomplish has to move through Congress. That means compromise at times.

Maybe so, but one does NOT conpromise on the [expletive deleted] Constitution or the Oath of Office!!!

And with regard to the fiscal conservatives, keep in mind that non-defense spending increases have been kept to 4%... not great, but a lot better than under any Democrat would have been.

CLINTON was better than that!!!

Add that to the tax cuts, PBA ban, dumping Kyoto and ABM treaties, his willingness to ignore the UN and defend the USA interests first - I am more than willing to give him another 4 years.

And weigh that against CFR (thereby allowing Sandy O to gut the first Amendment!!!), the biggest entitlement giveaway increase in 40 years (perscription drugs), a runaway budget (Teddy's Education bill?!?!?), Patriot Act (imagine how this potential expansion of powers can be wielded the first liberal Presidency), open borders (during a War on Terror, the best and easiest of all excuses, of all things!), etc. (On foreign policy, he's been great. It is domestically that he has been a huge headache.)

And by the way, PBA was NOT his doing. Mr. Never-Veto had nothing to do with the first 3 PBA bills that went to Clinton to get vetoed. That was in the works for years. He does not get extra credit simply for not vetoing it a foutrh time.

289 posted on 12/30/2003 3:02:14 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: !1776!
The genie is out of the bottle. There is no way at all politically to spark sharp decreases in federal spending. However, there is an appetite in the electorate for good sensible management. With any luck, Republicans should gain in 2004 and 2008. Meanwhile, it is the job of conservative activists to keep attention on issues that matter and expand the base of folks who carry those banners.

If W and the next guy or gal do a good job of governing, the liberal extremists who currently still have major toeholds within the bureaucracy will decrease significantly. What you will see is healthier modus operandi.

290 posted on 12/30/2003 3:03:18 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
You think Bush is not a big spender. No matter what the reality is, there are some here who will not even admit that. It is therefore pointless to argue semantics.

I'm not arguing semantics, I'm asking for clarification, which you continuously avoid as if you know your chart is either misleading or a lie.

If you want to present yourself as a liar, fine by me, all I asked is what is "Human Resources" compared to social spending. You used the plot to make a point concerning social spending, yet avoid backing up that the plot refers to Human Resources instead of social spending. THat ain't semantics, that critical questioning - something you appear unwilling to address.

Also, I never said I personally approved of everything the President has done while in office. I have taken the very entrenched position that it is much better now than if Gore had been there, and will be better than any democrat elected to office.

I do not debate on a micro level. It is a losing game and a waste of time on FR.

I'm not asking for micro-level information, just simple honesty about the "factual plot" you provided. The fact that you want to continue to avoid the question leads me to believe you are either hiding somthing or are either stupid enough to be sucked in by a pretty picture or a plain and simple liar.

Looking back, I should have not even posted the chart. Any proof I post will be refuted anyway, regardless of merit.

Yeah, you probably shouldn't have. Especially if you can't explain the difference between human resources (title of the plot) and social spending (subject of your rants).

Please come back when you get a clue...

291 posted on 12/30/2003 3:03:22 PM PST by !1776!
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To: At _War_With_Liberals; All
I will not be branded a socialist for pointing out that illegals given the green light to overrun lower/middle class neighborhoods in the name of "jobs for companies" is WRONG.

And, you won't be.

You WILL be part of the Millions of Americans who want Vincente Fox to do no more on January 12 [two weeks from now] than to round up the Mexican Citizens and TAKE THEM HOME!!!

292 posted on 12/30/2003 3:04:13 PM PST by Lael (Bush to Middle Class: Send your kids to DIE in Iraq while I send your LIVELIHOODS to INDIA!)
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
The justices have the best doctors and the best medications in the free world, and live lives of privilidge.

The odds of an activist judge dying are miniscule.

How miniscule? Care to provide facts for a change?

293 posted on 12/30/2003 3:06:06 PM PST by !1776!
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To: GunsareOK
Not voting for Bush has the effect of supporting Howard Dean. I don't think that is a bed that most here would want to lie in.
294 posted on 12/30/2003 3:07:22 PM PST by fourhorsemen
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To: !1776!
I am eternally grateful to Bush for my huge taxcut.

I am middle class with no dependents... those who pay NO FED TAXES got more than I did. And that is WRONG.
295 posted on 12/30/2003 3:07:53 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
I will not be branded a socialist for pointing out that illegals given the green light to overrun lower/middle class neighborhoods in the name of "jobs for companies" is WRONG.

Imigrants legal and illegal have been given the green light to overrun lower/middle class neighborhoods in the name of "jobs for companies since at least 1840.

The first wave were the Irish in Boston and New York. They were followed by Germans, then Italians, Polls, and Eastern Europeans.

The area with the most Mexicans was part of Mexico until the Mexican American war of 1846 to 1848.

We took Californa, New Mexico, Arizona and the rest of the Mexican territory largely because the Mexico was not strong enough to stop us.

People already here have been on the losing side of elections ever since the first Irish maid was hired in Boston in 1840.

This nation has always had a power structure that wants cheap labor best obtained from imigrants.

Ain't nothin changed.

296 posted on 12/30/2003 3:08:14 PM PST by Common Tator (I support Billybob. www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: gipper81
Bush Sr in 1988 and 92, Dole in 96, and George W Bush in 2000.

If you want to go back, it was Schmitz in 1972, Ford in 76, and Reagan in 80 and 84.

297 posted on 12/30/2003 3:09:07 PM PST by GunsareOK
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To: GunsareOK
No big deal. For every one of you not voting for President Bush there are probably 2 moderate Democrats voting for him. I know several cousins who have voted Democrat their whole life, really like what President Bush is doing, fully intend on voting for him, and are becoming interested in what is going on for the first time in their lives. President Bush is picking up more votes than he is losing. I never thought I would see an Ed Koch or a Zell Miller say that they would vote for President Bush.
298 posted on 12/30/2003 3:14:17 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Teacher317
There are those here that one could call "the unappeaseables"
299 posted on 12/30/2003 3:14:25 PM PST by MEG33 (We Got Him!)
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To: Lael
What are you saying...that Savage cooked his own website???

Website polls are meaningless. They're not scientific, and are indicative only of how many people happen to log on to vote. As we see on FR, polls can be rigged by pointing people to them, people who ALL feel the same way.

300 posted on 12/30/2003 3:14:33 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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