Conservatives grumbling at Bush

Reuters ^ | 01/21/04

[Pokey78]

Analysts at Cato, Heritage, Club for Growth unconvinced by Bush's pledge to cut deficit.

WASHINGTON, Jan 21 (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush faced open rebellion on Wednesday from some members of his fiscal conservative base for not laying out concrete plans to reduce government spending and the budget deficit.

[americanbychoice]

I am sorry, you were referring to # 371 in your post.
Just got up and thought it was yours.
I sincerely apologize.

[RiflemanSharpe]

This worries me and my wife greatly. We are and have been for some time working extra to pay off debts and to live a debt free lifestyle.

[exmarine]

( sic semper tyrannis) Interesting quote.Didn't John Wilkes Booth shout that in Ford's Theatre?

Yeah, it's also the state motto of Virginia I believe. Tyrants should be opposed at every turn - got a problem with that?

[exmarine]

Sorry, but it is neither fallacy or false analogy. The variation is only in degree of "evil" being perpetrated. You are guilty of the sin of ommision when you stand by and allow evil to flourish when you posses the power to thwart it in even some degree. All evil requires to succeed is that good men stand by and do nothing.

Baloney. First of all, by strict comparison to your silly analogy, I should stop a crime in progress, i.e. I should STOP by force the 40% of Americans who vote Democrat (that would be the equivalent of stopping a crime on the street)! But obviously I don't have that power, so your silly comparison falls by the wayside. I have the power to control my vote and that is all. Again, your comparison is a silly FALLACY - you seem to be full of them.

[hripka]

For personal debt-reduction see

http://www.daveramsey.com/

[RiflemanSharpe]

Thanks. I will look at the site.

[hripka]

For PUBLIC DEFICIT-reduction see

Colorado
http://www.tax-cut.org/

Wisconsin
http://www.witabor.org/

Tennessee
http://www.tntabor.org/
http://www.tntaxrevolt.org/taboriscoming.htm

[exmarine]

Then you are saying it is morally wrong for you to vote at all. Any vote you make is an attempt to manipulate or control the future. Your only option is to not vote and leave it all up to God. If he wants you to vote, I'm sure he will get a message to you.

Oh, do you want to state my position for me? Build a straw man perhaps. Are you able to argue logically without fallacy? I will TELL YOU what my position is - and it is exactly as I stated. Trying to manipulatge the future thru my vote demonstrates a lack of trust in God being able to fight the battle. Christians know it is God's battle, and each individual is only obligated to do his part by doing the right thing in each instance. There is absolutely no way you can make a biblical case that voting for the MOST MORAL candidate is wrong, so give it up.

[exmarine]

And that is why you are so ineffective in promoting moral values in the world around you.

That's your value judgment and something you could not possibly know. You have NO IDEA how effective I am in the world around me. Good leaders lead by example.

[Consort]

Each party has motives or end games as their objective for spending money, or proposing laws/passing legislation, appointing judges/justices, etc at all levels of government. Illegal immigrats can be pitted against citizens just like young against old, whites against blacks, gays against straights, men against women, worker against manager.... It takes a heavy toll on our society and is a Democrat/Liberal tactic, IMO, and they will use incrementalism or whatever it takes to get what they want, even using the courts to get what they can't get legislatively. National borders and traditions don't seem to matter to them. At this time, I think the Democrats are the greater threat.

[RiflemanSharpe]

National borders and traditions don't seem to matter to them. At this time, I think the Democrats are the greater threat.


Sadly, they do not seem to matter to GWB either.

[Consort]

Sadly, they do not seem to matter to GWB either.

It's the voters. Bush's successor may be more or less conservative. That not an option with the Democrats. Again, the Democrats appear to be the greater threat.

[B4Ranch]

It looks like I am going to have to write an article explaining just how American cities stay healthy and why lowered wages will send us into the trash can on the wrong side of town.

Too many FReepers have no idea about how economics work for and against us.

I need an idea on what would be the 'chosen' subject. Gas Tax, sales tax, state income taxes. Any ideas?

Holding the door open for our political leaders

[exmarine]

A vote for the Constitution Party is a vote for Al Qaeda.

It has become quite obvious that you are incapable of arguing your position. Such comments as the one above, which you commonly resort to, merely show your lack of knowledge on the issues and your immaturity in dealing with facts you don't like.

[exmarine]

Everyone knows that, in a republic such as ours, the people ALWAYS get the leaders they deserve because the people elect them. That is a plain irrefutable fact. So, if a democrat is elected in November, you can blame the American people. Elected Leaders reflect the values of the people in this country. Clinton was elected twice - what does that tell you?

[afraidfortherepublic]

Don't you inderstand that spending on domestic programs re-circulates money within our domestic economy? Provides jobs for OUR people -- rather than shipping jobs overseas? The bush proposals are a "good thing".

[MissAmericanPie]

Most people believe that if government doesn't collect enough in actual taxes that they will borrow the difference, so they don't care, as long as they are comfy.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Read Orwell's 1984.

I have. Now what?

No nations (or united nations) just 3 large regional blocs. If you read my other posts on this thread you can see from real life facts that is where we are headed.

Of course. Have you read Biblical prophesy? It says the same thing.

[gatorbait]

Tyrants should be opposed at every turn - got a problem with that?

None ,that's why I won't vote Democrat or third party.Got a problem with that?