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Kerry question: How common is 3 purple hearts in 3 months?

Posted on 01/26/2004 7:21:58 AM PST by Conservomax

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1 posted on 01/26/2004 7:21:59 AM PST by Conservomax
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To: Conservomax
Kerry must heal really fast.
2 posted on 01/26/2004 7:24:18 AM PST by Conservababe
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To: Conservomax
good work. Kerry went their to get his number punched so he could run for high office. Kerry was in country for four months and petitioned to leave. He is a phony and he is hyping his service to the nth degree.
3 posted on 01/26/2004 7:25:38 AM PST by faithincowboys ( Zell Miller is the only DC Democrat not committing treason.)
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To: Conservomax
He was a Vietnam vet, I didn't know that. You would have thought he would mention that sometime.
4 posted on 01/26/2004 7:27:37 AM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (The word system implies they have done something the same way at least twice)
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To: Conservababe
or more likely they were minor superficial wounds.
5 posted on 01/26/2004 7:28:02 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Conservomax
It's not worth looking at...it's a no-win situation..look Kerry dropped out of school, and enlisted, when thousands were going to Canada...and, from a military persepctive...the war was criminal , in the manner in which it was conducted...LBJ and McNamara killed 40,000 Americans needlessly, becuase they micromanaged the war..fed the troops in piecemeal, and refused to push for a strategy that could win the war...
6 posted on 01/26/2004 7:28:35 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Conservomax; faithincowboys
How common is 3 purple hearts in 3 months?

For a guy like Lurch, about as common as eating three ham and cheese sandwiches in 10 seconds?

7 posted on 01/26/2004 7:28:51 AM PST by thesummerwind (Like painted kites, those days and nights, they went flyin' by)
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To: Conservomax
Depends on the severity of the wound!
8 posted on 01/26/2004 7:29:30 AM PST by verity
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To: Conservomax
I read he missed a total of two days from the wounds.
9 posted on 01/26/2004 7:29:54 AM PST by 1066AD
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To: Only1choice____Freedom
I loved his closing pitch in his speech last week, "I'll be a veteran's veteran in the White House".
10 posted on 01/26/2004 7:30:09 AM PST by palmer (Solutions, not just slogans -JFKerry)
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To: Conservomax
I had the same question.

I'm not even close to being knowledgeable about it, but my understanding is that one can get a Purple Heart by receiving wounds in combat that require medical attention.

I don't know what the threshold is for "medical attention," but I think it's probably something more than tweezers and band-aids for splinters suffered during combat.

What I'm wondering is: did Kerry seek out those purple hearts, or were they given to him in the same way they were given to others?

Given his political connections (somebody recently posted a picture of Kerry on a sailing trip with JFK), I'm inclined to think that the threshold was lowered for Kerry for at least one of them.

11 posted on 01/26/2004 7:31:32 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Only1choice____Freedom
He was a Vietnam vet, I didn't know that

Are You series? F'ing Kerry, the French looking dude in Nam? Wow! I didn't know that either.

12 posted on 01/26/2004 7:32:11 AM PST by shiva
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To: Conservomax
I'd say give it a rest. There are plenty of reasons to go after Kerry. By all accounts he gave a great accounting of himself in Vietnam. It was well known that they gave out medals like candy there (and rightly so, IMO).

So leave him alone on this one unless it can be proven he lied to get the medals.

13 posted on 01/26/2004 7:32:39 AM PST by TomB
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To: Conservababe
He probably got nervous when a heard a loud noise and cut himself shaving.
14 posted on 01/26/2004 7:34:06 AM PST by ken in texas
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To: Conservomax
JOHN KERRY NEVER SEEN A WAR HE COULDN'T PROTEST AGAINST

His anti-war protest days will forever make it difficult for him as President to call the Nation to war. Yes, even if he would have been President at the time of 911.

He will always be an appeaser and too late to the battle.

15 posted on 01/26/2004 7:35:04 AM PST by chachacha
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To: Conservomax
I can't comment on Kerry's receipt of 3 Purple Hearts within a 3-month period, but I understand that his wounds were not serious at all. While I'm only speculating, it wouldn't be anything new for a soldier to finagle an injury in order to be shipped home or discharged. During the Civil War, soldiers would deliberately shoot or chop off their thumbs in order to be discharged. Since they needed their thumb to load and cock their weapon, they were rendered literally useless as a soldier by this action.

Regarding your father's wounds during WWII, I would say that he is more than entitled to the Purple Heart and you should check into it, even if he is no longer alive. I'd start with trying to get a copy of his DD214 if you don't already have it and a copy of his military record from the St. Louis, Mo. military personnel department. Many records were destroyed in a fire in the '60's, so it may be impossible for you to get a copy from them, but you can also try to see if the State Archives may have a copy, and you can always write your Congressman or Senator (Kennedy or Kerry). Having your Congress critter write for you forces the agency written to reply within a specific period of time. I've even used them (I live in New York State) to procure Civil War pension records that are still in the possession of the VA.

When there are Civil War vets still receiving Medals of Honor for bravery, there isn't any reason why your father shouldn't receive the honor of the Purple Heart that appears to be due him. It may take years, but I believe it's a worthy pursuit and something your children and/or grandchildren will be proud to have as a legacy. If you need any web links or addresses, I can probably help you out. Drop me a Freeper email if you want info.

16 posted on 01/26/2004 7:36:00 AM PST by mass55th
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To: TomB; Conservomax
It doesn't matter how many or what medals he received.

He threw them all over the fence, didn't he?

Oh, wait... they weren't his...

17 posted on 01/26/2004 7:36:29 AM PST by Old Sarge ("I Am a Rock, I Am An Island" - Simon & Garfunkel)
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To: Conservomax
You have to understand that by the time Kerry hit 'Nam they gave out purple hearts for scratching your face out on an op. If you went to sick call with a "wound" you were put in for a purple heart. Not to take anything away from purple heart recipients. Both GrandPa's have them from WWII, my Dad spent 2 1/2 tours in 'Nam in SF. Has a box full of them, he's the one that told me the story.

Thanks for the vets against Kerry link...I wanted some info on his service record. I'm very skeptical of "war heroes" who run for political office. I was always taught that the "heroes" are at Arlington!!! "Rangers lead the way"!!!
18 posted on 01/26/2004 7:36:35 AM PST by Ga Rob ("Life's tough...it's even tougher when you're stupid"....The Duke)
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To: Conservababe
Kerry must heal really fast.

The man is a big target.

19 posted on 01/26/2004 7:37:13 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: Conservomax
There were purported incidents of junior officers scratching themselves with can openers (younger freepers may not know what they were?) after mortar attacks that hit officers open messes to get Purple Hearts. Bronze Stars were prevalent - unusual for junior officers not to receive one for service in the Viet Nam. Silver Stars required a real good story teller/writing skills - often true, but maybe embellished. Kerry knows the truth, others will not. So we must trust Kerry. Rescuing the SOF/Green Beret soldier (out of the Mekong?) appears to be a genuine act that had a good result - bravery or opportune?
20 posted on 01/26/2004 7:38:29 AM PST by NutmegDevil
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To: r9etb
I don't know what the threshold is for "medical attention," but I think it's probably something more than tweezers and band-aids for splinters suffered during combat.

The standard is just that - medical attention for wounds. Having a tiny piece of shrapnel pulled out of your leg by a medic and heading back to the front gets a PH just as much as having a leg blown off. I knew plenty of combat vets who took minor shrapnel wounds, bandaged themselves, kept fighting and never put in for a PH.

21 posted on 01/26/2004 7:38:42 AM PST by CholeraJoe (I'm a Veteran. I live in Montana. I own assault weapons. I vote. Any questions?)
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To: Conservomax
Minimization of the number of Purple Hearts one receives is an intelligence test.

Kerry FAILED.
22 posted on 01/26/2004 7:40:52 AM PST by jimkress (Save America from the tyranny of Republican/Democrat hegemony. Support the Constitution Party.)
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To: Conservomax
If the criteria for getting a PH is that low shouldn't Al Gore get one for suffering paper cuts and carpal tunnel syndrome from using a manual typewriter during his Viet Nam service? </satire
23 posted on 01/26/2004 7:44:22 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: Old Sarge
Yeah, that's right. He didn't even think he deserved them and tried to give them back. (sarcasm)
24 posted on 01/26/2004 7:49:16 AM PST by Kirkwood
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To: mass55th
From "Duty -- and ambition"
Boston Globe, 1/18/2004

"As the skipper of a small Navy "swift boat" that typically carried five or six sailors, Kerry went beyond the usual orders that called for flushing out the enemy. He would often order the boat to charge the shore, and at one point he chased down and killed a Viet Cong who had pointed a weapon at the craft. But after six months of dangerous duty on the waterways of South Vietnam, Kerry decided it was time to leave. He had received a Silver Star and a Bronze Star, as well as three Purple Hearts, all for relatively minor wounds, only one of which kept him out of action for a day or two. Naval regulations enabled someone with three Purple Hearts to leave early, and Kerry decided he had seen enough."

25 posted on 01/26/2004 7:49:29 AM PST by angkor
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To: Ga Rob
Going after Kerry's Vietnam record, and medals, is a non-starter.

The most promising angle is to paint him as a "Massachusetts liberal" in the Teddy Kennedy, Mike Dukakis, Barney Frank tradition.

26 posted on 01/26/2004 7:49:56 AM PST by Commissar (Exposing Imperialist Lackeys, Capitalist Reactionaries, and Zionist Running Dogs)
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To: faithincowboys
Kerry was in country for four months...

I believe his total service in Nam was longer than that. Considering the "seriousness" of his wounds, I'd say his petition to leave was somewhat legalistic. I knew lots of guys -- enlisted and draftees -- who would have jumped at the chance. Officers, however, would generally prefer to stay where the action is.

For example, LBJ's son-in-law was assigned to Cam Rhan Bay, but there was no action there. For whatever reason, no doubt political, he asked to be reassigned. Ambitious people do not generally look for easy ways out.

27 posted on 01/26/2004 7:52:05 AM PST by js1138
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To: Commissar
I totally agree...That will work, if the Dumbs nominate him, we'll have enough ammunition just from his voting record in the Senate.
28 posted on 01/26/2004 7:52:55 AM PST by Ga Rob ("Life's tough...it's even tougher when you're stupid"....The Duke)
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To: Conservomax
Heh... John Kerry, "Apocalypse Not".
29 posted on 01/26/2004 7:53:52 AM PST by Gefreiter
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To: Old Sarge
What Kerry's service to his country means to him:


30 posted on 01/26/2004 7:55:40 AM PST by Brett66
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To: jimkress
I'm am NOT a Kerry fan or supporter...I do not like the man's policies or stand on most issues, however that stated...

Kerry went to Nam even though he could have easily avoided service, by all accounts he served with honor and valor when there. He placed himself in harms way on numerous occasions and earned his medals. He was not a fake like Gore pulling privilege.

This still does not make him fit nor competent to be president but he does deserve our respect for his service and duty to country.

NeverGore
31 posted on 01/26/2004 7:58:00 AM PST by nevergore (“Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.”)
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To: Conservomax
Kerry was captured and was tortured by the Viet Cong in a "face stretching" machine. The results are history.
32 posted on 01/26/2004 8:00:54 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: r9etb
We all should forget about going after Kerry's War record, even if he lied. Instead we should focus on what he did after the war as two of these pictures illustrate:

Cover of Kerry's book. The picture is intended to be an irreverent depiction of the flag raising on Mt. Suribachi.

Kerry at left, sailing with friends

34 posted on 01/26/2004 8:03:07 AM PST by Michael.SF. ("Reparations are long, long overdue" -- Dennis Kucinich)
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To: Conservomax
War heroes deserve appropriate respect for their actions but they do not merit carte blanche, nor are they deserving to be totally immune from criticism.

I am reminded of a previous great American war hero. He served with distinction as a General and was severely wounded in the leg, leading a charge against a fortified enemy position during an important and decisive battle. He is credited for helping to lead and achieve that important American victory and he was hailed across the land as a hero. He was indeed one of America's best and bravest military officers and there is a unique monument dedicated to him. His later actions however, put quite a dent in his career and legacy as an American. His name was Benedict Arnold.
36 posted on 01/26/2004 8:05:27 AM PST by XRdsRev
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To: Conservomax
Somewhere I read that medals were handed out like candy during the Vietnam war.

Don't remember the reason for this, but I believe it was claimed there was a Nixon directive was behind it.

I don't say this to malign any individual Vietnam vet's medals. I'm sure there are many who earned them honorably. But it's sad that the meaning of the honor was cheapened by some higher-ups' decision to bestow it promiscuously.

37 posted on 01/26/2004 8:05:50 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: Commissar
There's a long FR posting (from the Atlantic Monthly) here:

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1057936/posts

38 posted on 01/26/2004 8:06:30 AM PST by angkor
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To: finnman69
He could have sustained serious brain damage. Listen to his speeches.
39 posted on 01/26/2004 8:06:54 AM PST by ZULU (Remember the Alamo!!!!!)
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To: shiva
Since we took over for the French in Viet-Nam, possibly he was a left over? Have to look at his real Birthcertificate. :-)
41 posted on 01/26/2004 8:09:41 AM PST by americanbychoice
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To: Conservomax
Frank Burns received the purple Heart for getting an eggshell in his eye in a combat zone.

I hear 2 of Kerry's PH's are similar. 1 was for a shoulder wound. Maybe wrong.
43 posted on 01/26/2004 8:10:37 AM PST by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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To: Conservomax
My hubby was also an enlisted Vietnam Vet, and it was pretty political in the handing out of medals and ribbons. Apparently, lots of Clark types running around with policy but no ground troop experience. Caused a lot of problems.

Hubby, too, is skeptical about Kerry's medals and such and has asked me repeatedly to search for the true events that occurred to where he got them.
44 posted on 01/26/2004 8:15:48 AM PST by mabelkitty
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How about military service didn't matter when Clinton dodged the draft and flew to England in anti-American protests, but now they are running away from Clinton and embracing the military that they've gutted for the last 12 years.

Hypocrite is a good one.
45 posted on 01/26/2004 8:18:22 AM PST by mabelkitty
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To: Conservomax
One moment Kerry wants praise for protesting the war and blowing the whistle on atrocities. The next moment he wants praise for being a war hero. He lays the entire blame for Vietnam on Nixon, so that shows his grasp of politics.

This in a war the Democrats have always hated (though they created its worst features), having spit in the face of Nam soldiers for 3 decades.

So, which is it? Does the left honor soldiers or only protesters? Kerry can't have it both ways.
46 posted on 01/26/2004 8:20:13 AM PST by moodyskeptic (weekend warrior in the culture war)
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To: Commissar
ditto...Kerry's record is gold for the GOP.
47 posted on 01/26/2004 8:21:15 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: angkor
Wow.
My husband wasn't afforded such luxury - he managed to be there for a whole years without one instance of injury.
48 posted on 01/26/2004 8:21:49 AM PST by mabelkitty
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. . . and enlisted . . .

How did he get commissioned?

49 posted on 01/26/2004 8:22:26 AM PST by leadpenny
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http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm

Kerry experienced his first intense combat action on Dec. 2, 1968. He was slightly wounded on his arm, earning his first Purple Heart.

Kerry earned his second Purple Heart after sustaining a minor shrapnel wound in his left thigh on Feb. 20, 1969.

Kerry was given a Silver Star for an action on February 28, 1969: When Kerry's Patrol Craft Fast 94 received a B-40 rocket shot from shore, he beached his craft in the center of the enemy positions and an enemy soldier sprang up from a hole not ten feet from Patrol Craft 94 and fled. The boat's machine gunner hit and wounded the fleeing Viet Cong as he darted behind a hootch. The twin .50s gunner also fired at the Viet Cong. He said he "laid 50 rounds" into the hootch before Kerry leaped from the boat and dashed in to administer a "coup de grace" to thw wounded Viet Cong. Kerry returned with the B-40 rocket and launcher.

On March 13, 1969, a mine detonated near Kerry's boat, slighting wounding Kerry in the right arm. He was awarded his third Purple Heart.

50 posted on 01/26/2004 8:23:24 AM PST by angkor
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