Group blames race, class for lack of political voice

NJ.com ^

[Sub-Driver]

TRENTON -- Race and class have conspired to deny New Jersey's minorities a voice in politics, one political watchdog group said this week.

In fact, New Jersey's African Americans are shut out of the political process because whites outspend them 85-to-1 in political donations, according to "Color of Money" report issued by New Jersey Citizen Action.

[Sub-Driver]

huh?

[Gefreiter]

Wwwweeeellll.......as best I understand our system, it doesn't cost anything to vote.

I'm a little confused by this article.

[skip2myloo]

" ...because whites outspend them 85-to-1 in political donations... "

Probably outspend them about 85:1 in tax payments as well.

Who should have a greater political voice, the contributors, or the beneficiaries ??

[Deliberator]

the money that controls the outcome of most elections

I have yet to see a study showing a correlation between campaign spending and electoral success.

[bluejean]

Shouldn't the headline have been, "Race Blames Group, Lack of Class", etc?

[syriacus]

whites outspend them 85-to-1

Correction: According to the study--

White zip codes outspend non-white zip codes.

[LetsRok]

Of course those with more to gain or lose are going to contribute the most to the machine that affects the change.

[arkfreepdom]

The reason they have no voice is because they vote dimocrap no matter who is running. Idiots.

[doodad]

Here is one for you.

[Ches]

"Who should have a greater political voice, the contributors, or the beneficiaries ??"

Are you suggesting that the vote of a rich man count for more than that of a poor man?

[Deliberator]

I think there's something to be said for the proposition that welfare recipients should surrender the right to vote.

[skip2myloo]

When I see some spaced-out, dope-smoking, able-bodied, unemployed filthy hippie ignorant illiterate school-dropout woman pushing out another illigitimate baby every 12 months living on unemployment, welfare, WIC and sending her kids to government-funded daycare and schools so they can eat on my nickle, while mama buys crack cocaine, I question whether they should have the right to vote at all.

When they DO vote, it tends to be for a lying liberal Democrat who promises to keep giving them one benefit after another at my expense as a result of an immoral tax system that makes Robin Hood look like Ebenezer Scrooge.

Who do you think Kerry/Dean are trying to get to vote for them ??

Look at the red/blue map -- is it any wonder that almost all inner-city urban areas voted Democrat.

Democrats win by building coalitions of people who ought to be disenfranchised.

In the last 10 years, my cumulative federal income tax reaches a low 7-digit number.

NO, I don't think the vote of a scum bag whose whole existence is predicated on a government-provided beneficiary lifestyle ought to be able to go to the polls and effectively cancel my vote.

The founding fathers thought voters should be "freeholders." That is that they own land or a business and that to enjoy the benefit of franchise they ought to be contributors to society.

I see nothing wrong with the original concept.

Obviously, in our culture today, we would not want to deny women and minorities, who are taxpayers, the right to vote.

[Khurkris]

...de whiite man jess be keepin' de bruthurs down...

.../ebonics off

[bassmaner]

Obviously, in our culture today, we would not want to deny women and minorities, who are taxpayers, the right to vote.

What I find hard to believe is that so many women, minorities, etc. that actually do succeed on their own merit and without government assistance are often the ones screaming the loudest that the government doesn't do enough to "help" the "downtrodden".

[R. Scott]

Let’s see …
Those with large disposable incomes contribute generously to politicians.
Those with who expect a return for their dollar contribute to politicians.
Those with little or no disposable income do not contribute generously to politicians.
Those who do not expect a return for their dollar do not contribute to politicians.
WOW! Who would have thought!!!

[skip2myloo]

Agree.

Look, these Democrats keep wanting to amplify class division and create class warfare.

I think we ought to challenge 'em full bore on the issue. I'm tired of paying for the voluntary, degenerate lifestyles of folks who are using their votes to take money out of my pocket.

Ol' Alexis d'Tocqueville said something to the effect, 'The American Republic will endure until the politicians learn they can bribe the people with their own money.'

Well, it's already gone far beyond that.

The tax code is so progressive, that the top 5% of income pay 50% of the taxes and the top 50% of income pays 95% of the taxes.

So, by intentional design, Congress has put the people actually paying the bills in the minority.

It's a no-win scenario, the top 50% in income won't vote solely on the single issue of unfair taxation. So, bottom line -- we're paying damn near all the bills and we can't even form a voting bloc large enough to protest the socialist tyranny.

The politicians aren't using our money to bribe US, they're using OUR money to bribe the 50% who pay practically NO taxes.

It's absolutely criminal.

When I hear Leno, or Hannity do their man on the street interviews, I just shake my head -- the war is lost, we're just engaged in some delaying skirmishes while we retreat.

The average voter, dumbed-down by liberal schools is simply too ignorant to know any better.

And the media keeps 'em that way.

I'm feeling particularly cynical today - can't help it.

[Ches]

Yeah, I know. Had government been kept in it's box and not allowed to morph into the welfare state, the dirty rotten money grabbing socialists in the Republicratic parties would not be in a position to buy votes with tax dollars. If they wanted to buy votes, they would have to use their own money.

"When I see some spaced-out, dope-smoking, able-bodied, unemployed filthy hippie ignorant illiterate school-dropout woman pushing out another illigitimate baby"

She would not be able to vote for someone promising a cure for all her problems if it was not a welfare state. End of problem and we don't have to remove their vote. JMO

[Coleus]

Whites make more money and own more businesses so they do have more clout in this Capitalist society. Them's the breaks, get off welfare, stop having babies before marriage, get married and go to college.

Democrats take advantage of the Black Vote knowing well they will always vote the D line so why would any democrat politician want to listen to them or help them out. They just keep them poor enough so they can't advance themselves to a point where they won't need financial assistance.

[Deliberator]

She would not be able to vote for someone promising a cure for all her problems if it was not a welfare state. End of problem and we don't have to remove their vote.

In the absence of a welfare state, I would be loathe to deny any adult's right to vote.