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School Budgets, Teaching and Teachers {Ron Smith}
WBAL AM-RADIO Baltimore ^ | Friday, February 13, 2004 | Ron Smith

Posted on 02/14/2004 7:18:36 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park

WBAL AM-RADIO Baltimore

Ron Smith's "Something to Say" Commentary


School Budgets, Teaching and Teachers
Friday, February 13, 2004

“I could see the fury in their eyes,” said Baltimore Teacher’s Union President Marietta English upon her arrival at the polling place where city school teachers voted “no” to accepting a pay cut to reduce the budget deficit faced by the reeling school system.

           It’s clear that teachers feel they shouldn’t have to suffer for the financial ineptitude of their bosses.  One can sympathize with their emotions; especially since many of them regularly dip into their own pockets to pay for classroom supplies the school system doesn’t deliver.

           But the problem remains, a $58 million cumulative deficit, and something has to be done about it.  There doesn’t seem to be a way to avoid hundreds more layoffs and other belt-tightening.  It is a crisis, simple as that.
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          While on the subject of teaching and teachers, it is good to remember that public school teachers are the real front line in our continuing war against ignorance, illiteracy, social inequality and cultural despair.  How are these front line troops being trained? What are they themselves being taught in their college classes?

           These are questions that journalist Rita Kramer sought to answer more than a decade ago when she embarked on an extensive tour of the Ed School World, visiting 15 campuses across the country, talking to students, faculty and administrators, attending classes and then visiting the elementary and high schools where the trainees had their first teaching experiences. 

           What resulted was a most instructive book, "Ed School Follies : The Miseducation of America's Teachers." It’s a must read still for anyone who would like to understand what’s happened to the teaching profession in this country.  There are still many skilled and inspiring teachers, make no doubt about that. But the system is stacked against them.

           Furthermore, the inane No Child Left Behind Act that the Bush Administration has pushed down the throats of the states is the bastard child of the modern educational theories so devastatingly detailed in Ms. Kramer’s book.  It, as you probably know by now, mandates that in a decade, all American school children meet the same educational standards in key subjects at certain ages. That this is an impossible goal doesn’t matter. It makes sure that massive fraud will ensue on the part of educators who will have to lie and cheat in order to satisfy Uncle Sam.

           Educational reform is much needed, but the proliferation of mush-minded teaching theories makes it all but impossible. As Ms. Kramer put it so well:

           “No amount of restructuring or empowerment, no amount of money spent on salaries or programs, will make much difference until we place knowledge itself at the center of educational enterprise.”  Currently, she adds, “Knowledge – real knowledge in the form of facts, not ‘thinking skills’ or feelings of self-worth – is about the least concern of the professional education industry.”

           Get the book and read it and you’ll understand that the financial mess in the Baltimore City Schools is probably the most fixable of the problems facing it. The big ones can’t be remedied by taxpayer bailouts, only by the revamping of the entire educational apparatus and that isn’t likely to happen any time soon.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland
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To: M0sby
Well, now with the special ed kiddos on the same list of pass/not pass as the regular ed kids, the school is being evaluated incorrectly. Their should be a better way to evaluate them, or count them differently.

That's very true.

I salute you - special ed is a difficult job.

41 posted on 02/15/2004 3:29:30 PM PST by Amelia (Pop-culture impaired)
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To: P.O.E.; summer
I'm not happy with the core courses I'm force to take - a lot of impractical psychobabble, with heavy doses of "diversity" and "belonging".

Very few of them are practical. Some are less so than others. The best training is when you visit classrooms and during student teaching. Hopefully you'll get a good mentor.

Here's some advice that has nothing to do with classroom management: Good comfortable shoes are worth any cost. ;-)

I'm wondering, is there a ping list for teacher's issues here on FR?

Summer had one at one time. I'm not sure if there's another or not.

42 posted on 02/15/2004 3:34:46 PM PST by Amelia (Pop-culture impaired)
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To: Amelia
Meanwhile, research shows that the tried & true method of lecture & explanation, then practice, is the best way of imparting information. Odd that it's not the method the ed schools or the administrators recommend.

Likewise, it has long been known that the best time to start foreign language instruction is in the early grades, where kids can pick it up effortlessly. Yet in the public school system, kids don't get any until high-school

A friend of mine was talking to a friend of hers, who teaches at a private school for very well-to-do families. There, they do language instruction starting from first grade. My friend asked the teacher why this wasn't done in regular schools. Her reply: "One does not give servants the keys to the master's bedroom." I'm not making this up.

Call me tinfoil-hatted, but the only explanation that makes sense to me is that there is a deliberate and conscious effort to sabotage the education of public school kids, so that the gifted middle-class kids will not be competition for the kids of the elites. I worry all the time about what I could do to make my kids more competitive in the 21st century. I'm sure that parents among the elites must also be thinking about what they can do. And I would not be surprised if more than a few conclude that, while there is a limit to how well fertilizer will make their saplings grow, a chainsaw may be effective in making sure they are taller than any competition

43 posted on 02/15/2004 4:02:43 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (No anchovies!)
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To: Amelia; P.O.E.
Re teacher's ping list - Actually, no, I never had one just for teachers. A lot of teachers were following the FL Gov race when I was posting a great deal of education information about Gov Jeb Bush, so, I guess it appeared as if I had a teacher ping list. That would be a good project though, because I discovered there are certainly quite a few teachers and college professors here on FR - far more than one might guess.
44 posted on 02/15/2004 4:05:12 PM PST by summer
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To: SauronOfMordor
My friend asked the teacher why this wasn't done in regular schools. Her reply: "One does not give servants the keys to the master's bedroom." I'm not making this up.

It might be a big conspiracy, but let's be reasonable. Language instruction just isn't a big priority to anyone. They are busy fighting for more money, smaller classes, etc.

Frankly, if I had a choice, I'd vote against foreign languages being taught in my local school. About the only way they could fit it in is to completely eliminate the only recess the kids get.

45 posted on 02/15/2004 8:30:25 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Amelia
Amelia,
You are correct that the teachers can't fix the problem as things are, and administrators are not good either. But the teachers union is to blame for this. Who has the time and energy to stack the ballot process in favor of school boards who give the teachers the seniority system?

Of course parents can do their part, and the ones who value education do help their kids get through the system. But how much better if teachers really know their subject matter and keep the kids interest up?

Every school has several teachers who don't know what they are doing and turn kids off. Right?
46 posted on 02/15/2004 8:40:40 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: summer; Amelia; P.O.E.
It would be good to see a teachers ping list, summer. As a former teacher I would like to be on it too.

I believe teachers in different districts often face the same problems. But sometimes there are unique circumstances.

The main thing is to realize that education is too important to leave in the hands of the left leaning union and the many left leaning teachers out there who only care how much equal outcome they can get and how to reduce the system's dependency on merit. Grades and maybe some salaries.

Teaching that everything can be taught in groups, (same grade for all) and that we need to look into attacks against us to see what we did to cause the attacks. Examples of the thing that brings down the level of reading, writing, and math that are learned.
47 posted on 02/15/2004 9:03:51 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
the best time to start foreign language instruction is in the early grades, where kids can pick it up effortlessly. Yet in the public school system, kids don't get any until high-school

I agree it would be best if the children learned foreign languages in elementary school, and in Europe it's not uncommon for students to finish high school proficient in several languages. Of course, if they don't do well enough in elementary school there, they don't get to go to high school. They go to job training instead.

I teach in a high school. Frankly, at this point I'd be happy if my students were reading and doing math somewhere near grade level by the time they got to me.

the only explanation that makes sense to me is that there is a deliberate and conscious effort to sabotage the education of public school kids, so that the gifted middle-class kids will not be competition for the kids of the elites

If that's true, it's a remarkably short-sighted strategy, because those children who have no job skills will not be good employees for the elites either.

It's not just the elites, you know. Somewhere around 1975 I was living in Florida when either the state or the district I was living in implemented its first high school graduation test. A sample test was printed in the paper. All the questions were "life skills" types of questions - reading well enough to understand a newspaper story or basic instructions, doing math well enough to balance a checkbook or calculate sales tax.

The first time the test was given, some students failed, and many of those who failed were minorities. The NAACP immediately tried to sue the school system, saying the test discriminated against black students. They didn't seem at all concerned that those students might not have the skills needed to be successful in life.

48 posted on 02/15/2004 9:14:28 PM PST by Amelia (Pop-culture impaired)
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To: summer
there are certainly quite a few teachers and college professors here on FR - far more than one might guess.

Very true!

49 posted on 02/15/2004 9:15:57 PM PST by Amelia (Pop-culture impaired)
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To: Amelia
there are certainly quite a few teachers and college professors here on FR - far more than one might guess.

Hi there

50 posted on 02/15/2004 9:20:11 PM PST by Porterville (Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in the deepest part of hell)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
But the teachers union is to blame for this.

The unions aren't blameless, but I don't believe they are solely to blame. The politicians and judges deserve a share as well, as do administrators, teachers, parents, and students. I don't think any one factor is solely to blame.

Every school has several teachers who don't know what they are doing and turn kids off. Right?

I already said there are bad teachers out there. Some schools have more than others. Of course, every school I've ever been associated with also has several fantastic teachers on the other end of the spectrum, and quite a few who are average.

51 posted on 02/15/2004 9:23:51 PM PST by Amelia (Pop-culture impaired)
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To: Dianna; Amelia
(1). We should all just walk out?

D, YEAH!! Only then is there even a chance that like minded people that you mention can support you. There are enough teachers to IMPEACH judges who make law. There are enough teachers to unelect elected school officials who ignore the problems. There are even enough teachers to unelect governors who appoint school officials who ignore the problems {YOURS AND PARENTS}.

If the job is so bad, QUIT!! "Any dummy" can do what the administrationss want. And they DO!! As do the "smart" ones while consistently FAILING to educate children. Peace and love, George.

52 posted on 02/16/2004 4:34:45 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!! GO PAT GO!!!!)
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To: netmilsmom; reformed_democrat
Why is this impossible to achieve?

What percentage of American children do you think are intellectually capable of going beyond eighth grade?

Do you think it's 100?

53 posted on 02/16/2004 4:43:50 AM PST by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: SauronOfMordor
"somebody who never winds up making enough to pay significant taxes is a bad investment."

that is so untrue......

fact is, the real substance of a nation is in its masses....

if the masses aren't civic minded and family oriented, you can line 10 Bill Gates's up in a row and it wouldn't mean squat...

as far as education goes, people with special gifts should be nurtured, but not to the point where we have the majority of children leaving school without knowing how to read, or write, or knowing basic history so they can be good citizens...

besides, for truely gifted people, they are like cream, they go to the top no matter what....

54 posted on 02/16/2004 5:03:03 AM PST by cherry
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To: Amelia
"but in many areas, parents don't want their children wearing uniforms, or even following a strict dress code."

I know what you mean. I argued on behalf of school uniforms once on FR, and was sorely pummelled. Something about jackboots and Hitler Youth. Problem is, some feel that any form of dicipline borders on abuse. My opinion is that strict dicipline as a youth encourages one to think before one acts later in life. In other words, it can instill a sense of responsibility. Some seem to see this as a bad thing. They see it as crushing individuality and creativity. Meanwhile, Johnny still can't read.
55 posted on 02/16/2004 5:11:33 AM PST by bk1000 (error 404- failed to get tag line)
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To: SauronOfMordor
Educationnews.org ran a story last week about school principals who are stopping smart kids from taking gifted and talented programs in magnet schools because they need these kids to do well on NCLB tests in their home schools.

Parents and students will not put up with this for very long. People actually resent being used in this manner and will eventually leave in droves.

IMHO if you have to educate one end of the spectrum, you have to educate the other end.
56 posted on 02/16/2004 5:29:21 AM PST by ladylib
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park; Dianna
If the job is so bad, QUIT!! "Any dummy" can do what the administrationss want. And they DO!! As do the "smart" ones while consistently FAILING to educate children.

George, it's not going to happen until it's much much worse, and you are never totally going to understand why until and unless you understand the good teachers.

The really good teachers aren't there for the salaries and benefits (although they need those to survive and raise their families); they are there for the children and because they want to teach. In their souls they need to teach. If they walked out they'd feel they were abandoning the children.

You need to try some time in the classroom. Seriously. Anyone can sit on the sidelines and pontificate, but to those of us who've actually been there, your comments are looking increasingly idealistic and ignorant.

57 posted on 02/16/2004 5:32:23 AM PST by Amelia (Pop-culture impaired)
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To: reformed_democrat
Why is this impossible to achieve?

Because:

1. Curricula no longer have fact drills as their core methodology, or even priority.

2. Teachers have been stripped of the power to enforce any meaningful degree of discipline.

58 posted on 02/16/2004 5:33:12 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: bk1000
The median income in Baltimore is $34,500 while a starting teacher makes $34,973 and can earn up to $68,534 with senority and advanced degrees. This is not including other benefits: tuition tax credits, signing bonuses, relocation loans, fully paid health insurance, fully paid dental program, prescription drug program for only $4 per month, fully paid life insurance, fully paid vison plan, pension plan, tax sheltered annuity program 403 b, tuition reimbursment, student loan repayment, Baltimore home ownership partnership, teacher next door program, and employee assistant plan. Oh and I forgot the stipends such as:advanced professional certificate stipend ($2000), national certificate stipend ($4000), and critical shortage development bonus ($1500).

Cry me a river!

59 posted on 02/16/2004 5:34:47 AM PST by FLAUSA
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To: bk1000
Problem is, some feel that any form of dicipline borders on abuse. My opinion is that strict dicipline as a youth encourages one to think before one acts later in life. In other words, it can instill a sense of responsibility. Some seem to see this as a bad thing. They see it as crushing individuality and creativity. Meanwhile, Johnny still can't read.

I agree with you. It also seems to me that children crave discipline & limits, although they will also fight against them. They want to know where the boundaries are, and children with no boundaries are miserable creatures.

The problem here is parents who have bought into the whole "crushing individuality and creativity" thing, or just think they are showing their love for their children by taking up for them against the mean awful school employees...even to the point of going to court to keep the children from having to follow the rules.

60 posted on 02/16/2004 5:44:11 AM PST by Amelia (Pop-culture impaired)
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