Darwinism to Face Scrutiny in Ohio and Minnesota

family ^ | 02.26.04

[Coleus]

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[Betaille]

Socially conservative swing states alert... GAY MARRIAGE WILL DESTROY KERRY IN THESE STATES.

[maestro]

Darwin and Darwinism dead and buried!

Amen!

"Go Bucks!"

[Joee]

OH YES! There is good news tonight!!!

[Paleo Conservative]

GAY MARRIAGE WILL DESTROY KERRY IN THESE STATES.

I thought Kerry was already married.

[Coleus]

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[Joe Bonforte]

So let me get this straight. We've got a war against Islamic fanaticism to fight. We've got the entire institution of marriage under attack. The government is growing at ridiculous rates....

And the creationist fanatics would rather spend their time getting indignant over the teaching of evolution - a body of science even a majority of church-going Americans believe is correct in its essentials.

Hey, you guys go ahead and play in this space if you like. But I'm telling you - it does not help your mission. It just makes you look like kooks, and makes it more difficult to advance the rest of the conservative agenda.

But go ahead. You obviously enjoy it.

[Betaille]

"it does not help your mission."

You are missing the point. Nobody is forcing creationism to be taught as fact. People just don't want darwinism taught as fact either... darwinism was by Darwin's own admission merely "theory", not fact. Parents should not be forced to send their kids to school that are contrary to the morals parents teach their kids.

[Coleus]

The war started in our schools when the secular humanists took over and are winning today. I'm not really involved in the argument which I see on FR on these types of post but don't really understand your rationale of yours trying to compare a war with Islam with letting parents having local control over their schools. How are you fighting the war on Islam, the institution of marriage and big government?

[Joe Bonforte]

How are you fighting the war on Islam, the institution of marriage and big government?

By supporting candidates that further those aims, by supporting the troops with donations, and by raising hell with the media every chance I get over the growth of government.

[pcx99]

The war started in our schools when the secular humanists took over and are winning today.

And was utterly lost when religious leaders didn't accept the obvious and compliment the school's teaching of evolution with creation as a compatible philosphy. Time is relative, a day for God can be millions upon millions upon millions of our world, this is proven fact. Fossil record and experimentation support evolution and yet evolution is not imcompatible with creationism, indeed Genesis is a remarkable telling of the big bang and the evolution which followed.

The fundamentalist creationists are no better than the people who pursecuted Galeleo despite the evidience because they wanted to bury their hand in the sand and pretend the universe rotated around the Earth all the while ignoring the sheer immensity and power of God's handiwork.

The universe is so vast, so incredible from the impossibly small to the incomprehensably large that it's intimidating to say the least to try and take it all in, but to deny the greater glory of creation that evolution reveals is to diminish not only God's great work but it is a diminishment of ourselves as well.

[MegaSilver]

And the creationist fanatics would rather spend their time getting indignant over the teaching of evolution - a body of science even a majority of church-going Americans believe is correct in its essentials.

FWIW, most of the people in my church circles believe in an *old* Earth, but not evolution.

[Joee]

Fossils support evolution??? Hardly ---- anything but and so does DNA support Creation. I recommend you go back to the Bible again and read Creation in Genesis. Animals and man were created according to their "own kind." Also a day was a day and created as such, as we know it this day.

I don't wish to be drawn into an argument on this subject, but I couldn't leave it as was.

[_Jim]

Fossils support evolution??? Hardly ---- anything but ...

Gawd ...

[_Jim]

'Reinventing the wheel' - YET again on this issue?

I'll bet you guys think this is a) the FIRST time in history this has been addressed - and b) you are the FIRST ones to address this issue - don't you?

Would you like to rake a wild guess as to just how wrong you are on those aforementioned two points?

These issues were addressed, for us, in Sunday school class over thirty to forty years ago - at least - to my direct knowledge ...

[_Jim]

Darwin and Darwinism dead and buried!

Torches lit - pitchforks sharpened ...

[pcx99]

Fossils support evolution??? Hardly ---- anything but and so does DNA support Creation. I recommend you go back to the Bible again and read Creation in Genesis. Animals and man were created according to their "own kind." Also a day was a day and created as such, as we know it this day.

A day isn't even a day for the space station crew, our days are slightly faster than theirs because they are moving faster than we are. Assuming your watch was 100% accurate and the watch on an astronaut was also 100% accurate, the astronaut's watch will be moving slower than your watch (albeit the difference is very tiny because relatively speaking the Astronaut isn't moving THAT much faster than you are). Now if a day isn't even a day for the astronauts, who are you to say what a day is to God? This has been proven in experiemnts with syncronized atomic clocks (one on the ground and one sent to orbit).

Of course prior to the 20th century no-one could concieve of time being relative, but once you understand time dialation and relativity you begin to understand how the bible can be right in that the world was created in 7 days, and at the same time those days being measured in hundreds of millions of years thanks to relativity.

As for the fossil record, we've got TONS of fossils showing support for evolution save for one, critical area. While man is similar to apes, there is no fossil directly linking us. Perhaps that is because God made us apart from the animals just as it says in the Bible.

[Joe Bonforte]

FWIW, most of the people in my church circles believe in an *old* Earth, but not evolution.

For what it's worth, I don't know a single person in my church circles that disputes evolution. There's really no conflict between evolution and religion. That's why this argument is so pointless.

[SedVictaCatoni]

darwinism was by Darwin's own admission merely "theory", not fact. Parents should not be forced to send their kids to school that are contrary to the morals parents teach their kids.

Yeah! I don't want my kids taught the germ theory of disease, either - it might lead to dancing.