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Global nightmare: Saving the LOST
World Net Daily ^ | March 4, 2004 | Jane Chastain

Posted on 03/04/2004 8:04:55 AM PST by hedgetrimmer

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To: Constantine XIII
I'd just like her to back up what she's saying a bit.

You could bother to take some of the links heretofore provided and find out where she got her information.

John Kerry’s Treaty - Outsourcing sovereignty

Frank J. Gaffney, Jr. President & CEO, The Center for Security Policy

W's administration has gone out of its way to make fools of the UN, ...

He sure made a monkey out of them with this:

Bush Close to Backing $1 Billion Loan to U.N.

White House seeks to loan U.N. funds for renovations

The U.S. Loan to the U.N.: An Investment in Ingratitude

41 posted on 03/05/2004 8:15:27 AM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
I emailed my senators to see if they would responed with any info on this thing...
42 posted on 03/05/2004 8:40:32 AM PST by kt56
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To: kt56
Let us know if they write you back. We need a little more transparency in our government, don't you think?
43 posted on 03/05/2004 8:49:17 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: TigersEye
The UN has a crappy building that needs to be brought up to code and we're being polite by helping fix it. He's just throwing them a bone, not that I agree with it. What about the stuff I sited that is solid, well-known history? Doesn't that more than outweigh fixing the ugliest building in the country?

And yes, Mr. Gaffney might have good credentials with President Reagan (along with an art degree and foreign service studies), but he doesn't provide any more evidence than Ms. Chastain does. I don't buy "argument from authority" unless it's from the Bible.

Sure, there are dipsticks who want to instal a global government, but they seem to at best be ineffective, and at worst completely incompetent. Believe me, if it ever gets to be all that serious a possibility, the fecal matter will hit the rotary impeller with respect to folks like you and me.

To claim without any sort of proof that the VP and the Navy are involved along with the eeeeevil business men and oil companies tends to really turn me off.
44 posted on 03/05/2004 9:16:01 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: hedgetrimmer
Will do. Probably won't hear anything until Monday. I have this bookmarked and will post when I get a reply
45 posted on 03/05/2004 9:56:29 AM PST by kt56
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To: Bikers4Bush
Well if that is the case, when do we start the shooting?
46 posted on 03/05/2004 9:59:09 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Constantine XIII
The UN has a crappy building that needs to be brought up to code and we're being polite by helping fix it. He's just throwing them a bone, ...

$1.2 billion dollars. Nice bone.

Mr. Gaffney might have good credentials with President Reagan ...

Really good credentials:

In April 1987, Mr. Gaffney was nominated by President Reagan to become the Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy, the senior position in the Defense Department with responsibility for policies involving nuclear forces, arms control and U.S.-European defense relations. He acted in that capacity for seven months during which time, he was the Chairman of the prestigious High Level Group, NATO's senior politico-military committee. He also represented the Secretary of Defense in key U.S.-Soviet negotiations and ministerial meetings.

From August 1983 until November 1987, Mr. Gaffney was the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Nuclear Forces and Arms Control Policy under Assistant Secretary Richard Perle. From February 1981 to August 1983, Mr. Gaffney was a Professional Staff Member on the Senate Armed Services Committee, chaired by Senator John Tower (R-Texas). In the latter 1970's, Mr. Gaffney served as an aide to the late Senator Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson (D-Washington) in the areas of defense and foreign policy.

He's a pretty staunch defender of Pres. Bush as well:

Mr. Bush Goes to Baghdad

I guess he just couldn't stand being so credible and knowledgable anymore and decided to start some "black helicopter" stories for kicks and giggles.

To claim without any sort of proof that the VP and the Navy are involved along with the eeeeevil business men and oil companies tends to really turn me off.

Alas, in addition to the wealth redistributors, one-worlders, environmentalists, international lawyers, and the other usual suspects on the Left, the U.S. Navy, the American oil industry and Vice President Cheney currently support LOST.

That is a pretty straight forward statement. If this committee weren't being kept so low-profile it would be easy enough to verify from testimony in their hearings. And if he lied about it just as easy to deny.

Such support appears to be motivated by narrow, parochial, and shortsighted reasons (e.g., the belief that having internationally agreed "rules of the road" for the world's oceans will be good for the respective businesses of the Navy and the deep-sea "oil patch.")

Such myopic support is even more grievously misplaced and foolish than that given in 1997 by a powerful trade association — the Chemical Manufacturers Association — to another defective treaty, the Chemical Weapons Convention.

There is the not-at-all sinister motivation that he gives for their support and an example of a previous, similar, situation where self-interest led a corporation to shoot itself in the foot by endorsing a treaty.

You are the one suggesting duplicity not Frank Gaffney.

47 posted on 03/05/2004 10:19:42 AM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Here is another article I found.

Law Of The Sea By Dark Of Night By Paul M. Weyrich March 3, 2004

Posted here: Law of The Sea By Dark of Night Posted by kattracks

48 posted on 03/05/2004 10:35:58 AM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: TigersEye
Hey, don't get mad at me, let's keep it friendly, eh? :)

All I'm saying is that those are some pretty big charges. Yeah, that's a reason Cheney and the Navy might support it, but that doesn't equate to actually doing the deed. It is far from conclusive evidence.

LOST is against everything the Administration has done with respect to the UN. We and W's administration ought to work as hard as possible to see to it that these Liliputians can't tie us down, and so far both we and they have done just that. These charges are totally out of character of the accused, and outside of some shadowy suggestions, niether Chastain nor Gaffney have anything to back it up.

So I'm still a skeptic.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. :)
49 posted on 03/05/2004 2:36:22 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII
Hey, don't get mad at me, let's keep it friendly, eh? :)

You should see what I write when I actually am mad. ; )

I'm just challenging your assertions just as you are challenging mine and those of these authors. That's the best a forum can be. Read my postings with the most dispassionate imagined voice you can think of, short of an android, and they will read truer. Really.

These charges are totally out of character of the accused, and outside of some shadowy suggestions, niether Chastain nor Gaffney have anything to back it up.

You see, you are reading these articles as making charges and accusations, I don't see that. I don't see 'shadowy suggestions' I see questions of concern and puzzlement. If this had been written by Maureen Dowd or Bill O'Reilly, verbatim, I would have sh#t canned it as just so much hog slop.

You are right that it needs clarification; somewhere Gaffney has learned that Lugar has rejected opposition testimony so it follows that he learned who testified for this treaty. It would really be nice to know who testified to what and why.

He didn't claim or even hint that he knew what they said. We have a FReeper right here who called Lugar's office and was told "we aren't allowed to comment on that." They could have as easily said "we don't know about that" or "we have no comment on that" but it was the much more intriguing "we aren't allowed ..."

The treaty has passed Senate approval in secret, that is a fact, and no one here, as yet, can find out boo about it. Does that sit well with you? I agree about impeller blades and flying dung, in fact my best guess is that that is inevitable, but I'd sure like to try and stop it.

50 posted on 03/05/2004 3:51:41 PM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: Constantine XIII
FWIW I'm a skeptic too. So we'll just have to agree to agree. ;^)
51 posted on 03/05/2004 3:53:38 PM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: TigersEye
Lol, aye to that. I wonder why we can't get someone like a DeLay or Ron Paul elected to the Senate?
52 posted on 03/05/2004 4:05:02 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII
There is another thread over here:

Law of The Sea By Dark of Night

53 posted on 03/05/2004 4:11:41 PM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
UN's plan for world government

The UN'sGlobal Malfeasance

54 posted on 03/05/2004 6:33:36 PM PST by Mikey
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To: Mikey
Yep.
55 posted on 03/05/2004 6:36:55 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Ribeye
"Both parties are globalist, elitist pukes with an agenda that does NOT include the absolute sovereignty of the U.S. or the protection of the rights and welfare of it's citizens."

Yep. I've been saying that for years. The republicans and democrats have merged into one party which I call the Republicrats.

"They don't even try to hide it."

At least not any more. 25-? years or so ago many brave, knowledgeable patriotic Americans did research and found these international "treaties" and tried to bring it forth to the American people, only to be laughed at and called kooks, wacko's, etc.
The CFR (Counsel of Foreign Relations) has been around for many years and the government denied it existed. Now they're in your face on the TV and people still shut their eyes.

When many of these patriotic Americans were talking about CFR,FEMA and its rolls, they were again laughed at. Now the CFR and FEMA is in your face on TV and in the movies. etc.

When I hear people say things like, well I'll vote for the "lesser of two evils" and I point out to them that the "lesser of two evils" is still EVIL , I get this blank stare and comments like, well what are we supposed to do? I tell 'em simple, don't vote for evil in any form.

Instead vote Constitution Party

A vote for "lesser of two evils" is like saying, do I vote for Stalin or Hitler? either one is UNacceptable.

Naturally I hear stuff like, 'well if I don't vote for a rep or dem I'll be wasting my vote'. I say if you do vote repub or dem its definitely a wasted vote. Its a wasted vote for America.

Do you really want to see a change in the government to where it once again becomes OUR government, then don't waste your vote on any Republicrat and vote Constitution Party

56 posted on 03/05/2004 7:15:15 PM PST by Mikey
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Uprising Against U.N. Grows in States and Congress
57 posted on 03/05/2004 7:33:00 PM PST by Mikey
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To: backhoe
This thread is a resource of links on the U.N. and on the Law of the Sea Treaty. Thought you may be interested.

FReegards!

58 posted on 03/06/2004 6:49:03 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: hedgetrimmer
Under the LOST, the United Nations would have the power to tax any and every type of sea-going vessel, as well as any type of ocean research and exploration. In fact, it would give the United Nations absolute control of these activities.

Taxation is not possible without the threat of force. The mighty U.N. Navy, I take it, will be the enforcement arm?

If they are fool enough to pass it, we can laugh mockingly at them.

59 posted on 03/06/2004 6:54:25 AM PST by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: .30Carbine
Thanks- not sure if LOST is a quagmire or nightmare... maybe both.
60 posted on 03/06/2004 7:17:23 AM PST by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the TrackBall into the Sunset...)
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