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To: missyme
Here's the deal: Yes, Jesus is the Messiah. However, if you accept the fact that he is the Son of God, then the question is moot. The Messiah is relevant only to Jewish culture. When Christ died and rose after three days, a New Covenant was formed with not just the Jews, but with all of mankind. At that point, God ceased to have a "Chosen People" in a sense of a nationality. His new "Chosen People" became anybody who folloed Christ. Christ's status as God's only Son, trumps his status as Messiah.
301 posted on 03/08/2004 3:02:35 PM PST by presidio9 (FREE MARTHA)
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To: presidio9
I understand that, I also have been reading about the 12 lost tribes of Israel the 144,000 that have to do with End Times Prophecy, have you read anything about this?
302 posted on 03/08/2004 3:04:21 PM PST by missyme
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To: presidio9
Here's the deal: Yes, Jesus is the Messiah. However, if you accept the fact that he is the Son of God, then the question is moot.

Here's the deal: Jesus was not the Messiah. He never existed any more than Dionysus, Adonis or Tammuz. That is why there is no record of anything he said in his native language, Aramaic. That is also why it is impossible to match up the date of his birth with any census that there is any record of.

He was never crucified. That is why the Gospels never say what year it happened. It was not necessary for the Jews to go to the Romans to execute people for religious crimes, as is demonstrated in Acts 7:59, nor would they have done so. Nor was it blasphemy to call oneself the Messiah. Nor was there ever any tradition of letting a prisoner go free on Passover.

The word nazarene (nazoraios) does not mean a person from Nazareth, it means a member of a mystery cult (ha-nazorot). Followers of John the Baptist (another mythical character) were also called nazarenes. The references to Jesus and John the Baptist in Josephus are forgeries.

There is virtually nothing in the Gospels that cannot be found in Greek mythology, Greek philosophy, the Old Testament, the writings of the Pharisees or the writings of Philo.

Christianity began as merely a biblical version of the Hellenistic mystery cults. Cults such as Dionysus used Greek mythology as a starting point. Mithras was a mystery cult that used Zoroastrianism as a starting point. Christianity used the Jewish Bible as a starting point.

It was never a sect of Judaism. Its only connection to Judaism was that it expropriated the (translated) Jewish Bible as if it were its own. The early Christians were not primarily Jews, they were mostly "God fearing gentiles" who had read the translated Jewish Bible.

317 posted on 03/09/2004 10:41:33 AM PST by Inyokern
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