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To: Beemnseven
I agree the Drug War is a miserable failure, and this is the reason: We treat it as a law enforcement problem, not a National Security problem. The U.S. needs to go after the producers and suppliers of drugs with the full force and might of our military. If we have to do it unilateraly then so be it. We need to crush these vermin the same way we are taking out AL Queda. These clowns are also terrorists.

Your Tobacco argument is nothing but a smoke screen, no pun intended. Tobacco has not turned the inner cities of this country into war zones, drugs have. Tobacco does not cause a mother to leave her children to fend for themselves for days at a time because she had to go out and find a fix.
Tobacco has not caused turf wars between rival gangs who kill inocent people during their drive by shootings.
Tobacco is not being smuggled across our borders by the ton, while our ranchers and land owners have to clean up the destruction left on their land by the mules bringing it across. Tobacco is not turning our schools into cespools, drugs are.
9 posted on 03/26/2004 7:23:32 PM PST by sean327 (9-1-1: Government Sponsored Dial-A-Prayer.)
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To: sean327
Tobacco has not caused turf wars between rival gangs who kill inocent people during their drive by shootings.

If we instituted a total ban on tobacco, you can bet the farm there would be gangs fighting over black market profits.

Tobacco is not being smuggled across our borders by the ton, while our ranchers and land owners have to clean up the destruction left on their land by the mules bringing it across.

Again, if tobacco were banned, that problem would be worsened. The mules are after profits and a black market in tobacco would be quite lucrative.

10 posted on 03/26/2004 7:47:16 PM PST by Ken H
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To: sean327
"Mayor Bloomberg and his friends in Albany have managed to spur a brand-new crime war - involving turf battles over bootlegged smokes."

TOBACCO (TAXES) KILL

15 posted on 03/26/2004 8:01:35 PM PST by Ken H
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To: sean327
Your Tobacco argument is nothing but a smoke screen, no pun intended. Tobacco has not turned the inner cities of this country into war zones, drugs have. Tobacco does not cause a mother to leave her children to fend for themselves for days at a time because she had to go out and find a fix. Tobacco has not caused turf wars between rival gangs who kill inocent people during their drive by shootings. Tobacco is not being smuggled across our borders by the ton, while our ranchers and land owners have to clean up the destruction left on their land by the mules bringing it across. Tobacco is not turning our schools into cespools, drugs are.

Thats because tobacco is a legal drug. Everything you have cited above is a result of the illegal status of the drug, not the drug itself.

19 posted on 03/26/2004 8:10:21 PM PST by Hoof Hearted
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To: sean327
We treat it as a law enforcement problem, not a National Security problem.
It shouldn't even be a law enforcement problem. It was made a law enforcement problem through bigotry, plain and simple! And if you honestly believe that the drug use by approx. 5% of the population is a "National Security problem" then you're just plain delusional!
The U.S. needs to go after the producers and suppliers of drugs with the full force and might of our military.
Dear G-D, you have no concept of what Posse Comitatus is, do you? And you call yourself a conservative?
We need to crush these vermin the same way we are taking out AL Queda. These clowns are also terrorists.
Oh, you're one of those "body count" types, eh? How about this "oldie but goodie"...Don't Let a Few Innocent Deaths Stop the Drug War!!
Just one of many innocents you've helped kill by your support. Just acceptable collateral damage, right?
What unmitigated ignoramuses people like you are! And before I go about thrashing the rest of your BS read this Freidman interview, who IMO has far more knowledge and practical solutions than your "Kill "Em All" attitude!

Tobacco has not turned the inner cities of this country into war zones, drugs have.
No, the inflated price of drugs -due to them being black market items - has turned the inner cities of this nation into war zones. (your use of "country" instead of "nation" indicates a liberal leaning)
Tobacco does not cause a mother to leave her children to fend for themselves for days at a time because she had to go out and find a fix.
Maybe "Sugar Daddy" with his big wad of cash does it for some women. Maybe Piss Pot Pete has the "fix" she might be craving. Maybe one woman's "fix" isn't the same as another's.
Tobacco has not caused turf wars between rival gangs who kill inocent people during their drive by shootings.
See above about the black market.
Tobacco is not being smuggled across our borders by the ton, while our ranchers and land owners have to clean up the destruction left on their land by the mules bringing it across.
You're right. Tobacco isn't being smuggled across our borders by the ton because it's a legal product. However illegal aliens by the thousands, who sponge off of the socialistic welfare system established by foolish liberals, are smuggled across our border, smuggled in by greedy coyotes. There are far more illegals than "mules" by a long shot. Cast blame where it properly belongs. Also, if things keep going as they are the developing black market for cigarettes will develop and then tons of tobacco will start to be smuggled in.
Tobacco is not turning our schools into cespools, drugs are.
You're right and you're wrong. The liberals are at it again. Have your kids been assigned to read the book Heather Has Two Mommies yet? Have your children been properly educated sexually including transgenderism and subjects such as fisting? Get the point? Something along the lines of liberal educators...
You really need to get your priorities right as to where blame lies.

When I read drivel like yours I automatically get the mental image of the atypical and stereotypical old coot sitting on his porch with his mason jar of moonshine bitching about how bad things are, in his point of view and how much better things were "in my day".
Have a nice day!

20 posted on 03/26/2004 8:50:47 PM PST by philman_36
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