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Bush defends proposal for aliens
The Washington Times ^ | March 27, 2004 | Bill Sammon

Posted on 03/27/2004 5:52:13 AM PST by MikeJ75

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:41:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; billsammon; bush43; immigration; immigrationplan
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1 posted on 03/27/2004 5:52:13 AM PST by MikeJ75
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To: MikeJ75
"people coming up from Mexico want to put food on their table for their sons and daughters."

Our pres understands that Mexicans, like other hard working people, just want to put food on their families!
2 posted on 03/27/2004 5:55:38 AM PST by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: MikeJ75
In a state plagued by illegal immigration, Mr. Bush said his plan to grant temporary worker status to Mexicans who broke the law to enter the country would "treat people humanely" while helping the American economy. Flanked by New Mexico home builders in a sun-drenched courtyard, the president suggested that illegals fill menial jobs shunned by U.S. workers.

"People right here behind me are looking for somebody to ... lay roof, lay tile and they can't find workers here," he said. "If a builder back here can't find an American willing to do the job, they ought to have the ability to put somebody on the job who can do the job."

Unbelievable. The "people right here behind" the President are contractors not willing to pay Americans enough of a wage to attract them to the work. Rather than pay the required wages to attract American labor, these contractors want to import illegal Mexicans and the President thinks such an arrangment is just fine with him.

I know a lot of construction trades people who have been terribly hurt by this. These are not lazy people refusing to work in construction. They are people who need to make enough of a wage to support their families.

The President is either blind on this or was simply raised so far outside the environment of a working-class family, he has no clue what is really happening to American working people.

Sheesh!

3 posted on 03/27/2004 6:02:44 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: jocon307
It's just a shame that Americans in America can't seem to do that anymore.
4 posted on 03/27/2004 6:03:53 AM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: MikeJ75
"If a builder back here can't find an American willing to do the job, they ought to have the ability to put somebody on the job who can do the job."

Before all these wonderful "hard-working, undocumented workers" got here, we all lived in mud huts with no roofs.

Who cares if they're third-world, ignorant parasites? We need roofs, goshdarnit, and we're not doing without any longer.

5 posted on 03/27/2004 6:05:03 AM PST by TonyBanks (To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the loyal opposition.)
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To: MikeJ75
yep they are just smuggling the drugs that American drug smugglers are too lazy to smuggle
6 posted on 03/27/2004 6:06:44 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: jocon307
Mexicans, like other hard working people, just want to put food on their families!

I just tried to put some food on my family...and my wife slugged me...

Ingrates...

7 posted on 03/27/2004 6:08:30 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: joesnuffy
"I just tried to put some food on my family...and my wife slugged me..."

You're apparently using the wrong food. I would give you some advice, but this is a family forum.

8 posted on 03/27/2004 6:11:15 AM PST by TonyBanks (To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the loyal opposition.)
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To: MikeJ75
Yeah, those illegals standing behind him that ran American's out of construction jobs. Now they are after the trucking industry.
9 posted on 03/27/2004 6:17:14 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MikeJ75
What about our legal citizens who are loosing their ability to raise our sons and daughters as a result of having to subsidize these labours with our tax dollars and other social sacrifices? The lowering of the quality of life for the middle class is the outcome of massive immigration and only benefits greedy business people who are refusing to pay fair wages ! These businesses are nothing more than slave owners. The slave labours are willing to take the jobs at wages which cannot sustain a household, because of government handouts and the promise they may eventually earn their freedom, e.g. amnesty! If these business cannot make it without slave labor they should fold, that in essence is the philosophy of a free market in a free society, and what has built this county strong.
10 posted on 03/27/2004 6:33:05 AM PST by seastay
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To: MikeJ75
"people coming up from Mexico want to put food on their table for their sons and daughters."

Bush needs to ask Fox why they're not being allowed to do that in their own homeland.

11 posted on 03/27/2004 6:42:16 AM PST by FITZ
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To: MikeJ75
But he said businesses should be able to hire illegals...

They already ARE hiring illegal aliens.

"because people coming up from Mexico want to put food on their table for their sons and daughters."

They breed 'em, U.S. taxpayers feed 'em (and subsidize their housing, and educate them, and provide health care, etc.).

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Bush is patting himself on the back and feeling oh so compassionate.

12 posted on 03/27/2004 6:45:23 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: MikeJ75
Infuriating.
13 posted on 03/27/2004 6:51:10 AM PST by Ahban
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To: jocon307
"just want to put food on their families."Food fight!
14 posted on 03/27/2004 6:54:14 AM PST by novacation
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To: MikeJ75
President Bush continues to use the same argument that he used when he first introduced his policy of amnesty for illegal aliens. He accuses American workers of laziness saying they will not take jobs that illegal immigrants are now filling. I think this is an massive insult to all American workers, as well as being untrue, and it reflects a basic distrust of the American people. If Bush does not believe that the American people have sufficient honor and integrity to take care of their own lives and employment, then why should he believe we are up to the responsibilities of citizenship in a self-governing republic. His attitude reflects a basic rejection of the premise of republican self-government -- that the people have sufficient intellegence and virtue to govern themselves. I do not understand why the media and even his own party are not calling him on this continued verbal assult on the American working class and on the principles of republican self-government.

Last year when the Bush administration first proposed amnesty, I wrote a response based on my personal experience with hiring a nanny. Since President Bush has not changed his opinion of American workers at all during this debate I feel that reposting this response is useful.

"People right here behind me are looking for somebody to ... lay roof, lay tile and they can't find workers here," he said. "If a builder back here can't find an American willing to do the job, they ought to have the ability to put somebody on the job who can do the job."

This is the argument that gets thrown down to trump any assertion that we should deport illegal aliens or punish businesses that hire them: Americans will not do these jobs! This argument is the BIG LIE that corporations and political elites of both parties keep trumpeting to convince us, without ever having to prove it, that open borders and the resulting terrorism and lawlessness is the price we must be willing to pay for a healthy economy.

What Bush and other pro-illegal immigration people never say is that illegal immigration guts the wage market in every sector that illegals are employed in. Wages in these jobs are held down to subsistence level or below by the very immigration that the elites demand for their own self-interest. I believe there are plenty of native and legal Americans who will take these jobs if they can make a decent, livable wage.

I have a personal example. When I hired a nanny in the early 1990's, I interviewed several young American citizens who were willing to work for one thousand a month ($12,000 a year, not exactly high pay). At the same time I was offered help in obtaining an illegal immigrant from Guatemala who would work for $400 (without of course Social security or unemployment taxes). When I asked them what they would do if their nanny who they brought from Guatemala got sick, they told me they would take them to the local public hospital for free (tax supported) care. I was appalled.

We chose to hire an American citizen and my experience disproves George Bush's assertion that no Americans want these jobs. They don't want them at the same rate paid to illegal workers and I don't blame them. We hired an American citizen, paid her a decent wage (even though it took about half of my middle-income salary) and paid all the required taxes because that was the right thing to do. George Bush evidently would think I was a fool for doing this. Indeed, at the same time that I paid a legal nanny a good portion of my salary, many extremely wealthy members of the political and professional elite were making news for hiring illegal nannies and refusing to pay the required taxes (remember Zoe Baird and nannygate).

Our nanny’s situation was made worse by the fact that her husband worked in landscaping and his salary was also held down by the competition of many illegal immigrants he worked with. Even on their combined salaries, they barely got by. They could not afford dental care for their son and rarely went to the doctor and, they told me, they were not eligible for any welfare type programs such as food stamps. Here were two citizens working in jobs that George Bush tells us no Americans want. The truth is that American citizens have been forced out of these jobs by low wages. Multiply this story by the millions of illegal immigrants and you see how open borders is destroying the ability of an entire class of Americans to become even marginally self-sufficient.

The political and business elites like to blame the refusal to do anything about illegals on ordinary Americans. They say that “we” will not pay the prices for goods and services that it would take to pay American citizens a decent wage. “We” demand mass quantities of cheap goods. I believe this is untrue and furthermore I believe it is a mass slander against most ordinary Americans who would not begrudge a fellow citizen a livable wage, even though they had to pay more for goods and services.

I think it is the very wealthy professional and corporate elites who are not willing to pay livable wages or sacrifice any degree of corporate profit to employees. As a substitute for the failure to create jobs that allow citizens to become self-sufficient, these elites of both parties gladly support welfare and income redistribution policies that spread the cost of their open borders policies to all taxpayers. They get the best of both worlds: cheap labor for their estates and businesses and votes from the millions of people they keep dependent on them for daily living. It is an outright scheme to create a permanent underclass to serve their personal and business interests and to prop up their hold on political power.

In the end, we are all deluding ourselves in thinking that the cheap goods and labor costs afforded by illegal immigrants are a good bargain. I think most Americans understand this. We are subsidizing this insanity with our very lives (as the families of those who died on 9-11 can attest), with massive crime rates and prison costs, with skyrocketing welfare, defense and education costs, and most importantly with the destruction of the very economic and social conditions (an independent and self reliant population) that are required to maintain democratic self-government. If we added all these costs of illegal immigration to the prices of the goods and services they are involved in providing I doubt anyone would consider us better off in the bargain

This is the second and , in my opinion , the more important reason why pro-open borders elites in both parties are wrong to oppose controlling immigration -- because it is destroying our ability as a people to maintain sufficient consensus about our own political creed to continue to maintain not only our liberty but our very existence. It has already resulted in a massive failure of democratic theory as illustrated by the fact that the two parties have imposed on us for decades an open borders policy that a vast majority of us have never supported. They have accomplished this by never offering candidates that reflect what the majority of Americans want on immigration and by a media campaign to smear any opposition to illegal immigration as racist. To many Americans, this proves that our democratic process does not work, that the majority cannot prevail against the will of the ruling elites.

We all know that a few high profile prosecutions of employers will put an immediate brake on the lure of employment and would do more than anything else to stop illegal immigration without the need for draconian law enforcement measures or “roundups.” But Bush and the majority of other politicians of both parties will not support enforcing even the light employer sanctions that already exist. Think of why this is happening. Congress gets the credit for passing the laws but their refusal to demand enforcement of them lets the executive branch off the hook. It is a perfect scheme to avoid doing what the vast majority of Americans want done -- stop illegal immigration!

The widening economic and philosophical divisions between the interest of these elites and ordinary Americans and the dwindling consensus about our own founding principles that result are illustrated perfectly by this problem of illegal immigration. Either we deal with this issue in a way that respects majority opinion and restores confidence in the principles of democratic self-governance and simple self preservation or we sit by and wait for the completion of the destruction of our political heritage of liberty.

15 posted on 03/27/2004 7:02:18 AM PST by politeia
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To: politeia
Bush can be a fool at times.
16 posted on 03/27/2004 7:15:20 AM PST by jocko12
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To: MikeJ75
President Bush is attempting to keep the "welfare" rolls down. The culture wars, and in particular, INS, cannot be relied upon to do their duty, yet. So, if employers do hire the current illegals, welfare rolls stay down (which shuts off the usual suspects from the drivel they usually use to abuse the American taxpayer). My two cents.
17 posted on 03/27/2004 7:31:49 AM PST by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: MikeJ75
This is my biggest disagreement with the President. Why can't we stop the flow, and let Americans feed their families. I am tired of the lie that Americans won't work jobs like the illegals are doing. It is a lie, lie, lie.
18 posted on 03/27/2004 7:34:14 AM PST by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: jocon307
Our pres understands that Mexicans, like other hard working people, just want to put food on their families!

So do I DAM*IT!

And its hard to do when law-breaking Mexicans are getting jobs from law-breaking employers and depressing my wages!

19 posted on 03/27/2004 7:37:51 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: MikeJ75
The down side of electing ANY politician from Texas is that he wouldn't be successful unless he'd learned to get along with a powerful mexican presence - legal and illegal and in many cases in charge.

GWB is applying Texas habits to the rest of the country when he should be readdressing those Texas habits.

HOWEVER - that said - the average imported mexican in Texas is probably more like the fabled 'seekers of a better life' than the urban rabble we get in California. Trouble is, you can't separate one from the other and you can't make policy on "best case" experience when the majority experience is opposite.
20 posted on 03/27/2004 7:51:26 AM PST by norton
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