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To: little jeremiah
I don't agree with everything he says (especially affirmative action) but he provides some very sensible and rational reasons why "gay" marriage is NOT good for this country.

But the way he discusses it is logical, calm and reasoned. People talk alot about how there is no debate today, merely shrill extremes with no listening. Card's article and some of the more "liberal" causes he endorses are done in such a way that at least there is apparently room for discussion.

I don't agree with all he says either, but I get the feeling I could have a healthy open-minded debate with him and even if I didn't convince him I would come away with respect for his thinking.

A rarity since most left-leaners are represented for what passes as "discourse" by such luminaries as Robert Scheer or the talents at DU.

29 posted on 04/06/2004 7:24:12 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (If your cat has babies in the oven you don't call them biscuits!)
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To: freedumb2003
I agree. Most liberals that I have ever tried to discourse with are actually psychotic and cannot rationally debate anything. As Michael Savage says, liberalism is a mental illness, and I concur.

Or one might call it a serious character flaw.
30 posted on 04/06/2004 7:30:45 PM PDT by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: freedumb2003; little jeremiah

I don't agree with everything he says (especially affirmative action) but he provides some very sensible and rational reasons why "gay" marriage is NOT good for this country.

But the way he discusses it is logical, calm and reasoned. People talk alot about how there is no debate today, merely shrill extremes with no listening. Card's article and some of the more "liberal" causes he endorses are done in such a way that at least there is apparently room for discussion.

I don't agree with all he says either, but I get the feeling I could have a healthy open-minded debate with him and even if I didn't convince him I would come away with respect for his thinking.

Very well said! Thank you. Our political system benefits from positive and negative feedback. "Shrill extremes" are not a feedback, but noise, sometimes very loud noise that drowns some bits of thoughtful criticism. It is bad for our political health.

41 posted on 04/07/2004 5:55:47 AM PDT by Tolik
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