WoofDog123 wrote: What about any of this (besides basque-celtic genetic link) is a surprise at all? Obviously the celts would be genetically related to each other (brittany received its current celts from wales and cornwall celts running from anglo-saxons, etc).The Celtiberians occupied Iberia -- it was the hybrid of Celtic migration and the earlier Iberian settlers. Basque is an isolated language family, but probably has some loan words as do almost all languages.
WoofDog123 wrote: I would think genetic studies could clear this up once and for all in the east and northeast of scotland.Genetic studies can't tell anything much about culture or language, or even geographic origins.
xkaydet65 wrote: So complete was the Anglo Saxon triumph that some say there is not a place in England that bears a Celtic name, nor a word in English that remains from the Gaelic of the Celts. Is it so hard to believe that the descendants of these invaders would dominate the land genetically."Galore" as in "to repletion" came directly from Scots Gaelic, and unlike other modifiers in English, properly appears after the word modified. So the grammar came with it. Although not commonly used (because it's archaic, as is the word form "youse", which some folks occasionally use today; that one is straight out of Saxon times), we also have "bairn" and others. Not a ton of others, but they are there. Scots Gaelic is more widely spoken in daily use than Irish Gaelic (its closest relative).
WoofDog123 wrote: There are like a whopping 2 or 3 loanwords surviving into modern english. Crag is one, i think but am not sure tor is another.
The sleeping civ has awaken and is treating us to posts galore.
There must be an ancient gaelic fairy tale about this sort of thing.
The Old High German and Old English word for hair is haar, my mother still uses it, she's 87.
"There are like a whopping 2 or 3 loanwords surviving into modern english. Crag is one, i think but am not sure tor is another."
Hi, the above was in reference to the p-celtic being spoken in britain by the romano-celtic people being displaced/absorbed by the A-S migration/invasion into what would be england...as far as I know very few words other than place-names form p-celtic were absorbed into the invader's dialects of west germanic.
I wasn't aware of the q-celtic loanwords introduced from scots gaelic, is there knowledge of when these words started appearing in written english (middle or modern?)
'WoofDog123 wrote: I would think genetic studies could clear this up once and for all in the east and northeast of scotland.'
"Genetic studies can't tell anything much about culture or language, or even geographic origins."
This was in reference to where the picts language family might have originated. My point was the looking for any genetic correspondence between scots living in formerly pictish areas and the DNA markers common among populations of finno-ugric language speakers here might tend to support or dismiss the remote suggestion that pictish was a F-Ugric language. Obviously the main problem here is that aside from some king-names, place-name remnants, there is to my knowledge no remaining samples of pictish extant to verify it as a p-celtic or not.
The idea (one that is being applied all over the place) is the, in the context of known or suggested historical circumstances, genetic studies and comparison can have a tendency to support or make implausible certain theories.
"Not a ton of others, but they are there. Scots Gaelic is more widely spoken in daily use than Irish Gaelic (its closest relative)."
From what I have seen first-hand in the heart of scots gaelic country, I would be very somewhat surprised if these languages are house-spoken at all in 2 generations. Unlike Welsh, the critical mass and emphasis doesn't seem to be there.