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Marines Prepare for Fallujah Pull Back (Fox Reports NO PEACE DEAL in Fallujah)
AP ^ | Thu, Apr 29, 2004 | Jayson Keyser

Posted on 04/29/2004 4:15:58 AM PDT by Eurotwit

FALLUJAH, Iraq - Marines in Fallujah began packing up gear and loading heavy trucks Thursday, saying they had been ordered to leave the southern industrial zone that they have held for weeks and pull away from the city.

It was not immediately known if the move represented a withdrawal of Marines from their siege of the city or if other Marine forces were being rotated in to replace the withdrawing 1st Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment.

Some of the Marines said they had orders to move to the nearby village of Garma.

U.S. forces delayed potentially dangerous joint Iraqi-American patrols in Fallujah after three days of fighting and pressure increased on the United States to prevent an escalation of violence in the besieged city.

Easing the prospect of an assault on Fallujah, a tentative agreement has been reached under which the United States would end its siege of Fallujah and withdraw Marines from around the city over several days, Los Angeles Times reporter Tony Perry told CNN on Thursday.

Perry, who is embedded the U.S. 1st Marine Division, told CNN four former Iraqi generals under Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) had come forward and said that Iraq (news - web sites)'s army would be responsible for operations and security in the city. They were working out details of the deal in meetings with U.S. Marines on Thursday.

In violence throughout Iraq, a U.S. soldier was killed in a roadside bombing north of Baghdad, and a foreign civilian was shot to death in an attack on his car in the southern city of Basra. Three members of an Iraqi family were killed when a rocket hit a residential building in the northern city of Beiji.

U.S. troops at the main checkpoint in and out of Fallujah opened fire on a car, killing several Iraqis but there were differing accounts of the circumstances of the attacks.

Marine Capt. James Edge said a car screeched into the razorwire near the main Marine checkpoint into Fallujah and gunmen inside opened fire with assault rifles on the Americans. U.S. troops returned fire with a Humvee-mounted heavy machine gun, killing at least three men in the car, Edge said. A fourth person was wounded but it was not clear if he was in the car or a bystander, Edge said.

An AP reporter, however, saw U.S. soldiers opened fire on a pickup truck at the checkpoint, killing a seven-member family that was trying to flee the city. It was not clear if the accounts referred to separate incidents.

In the south, a U.S. base in the Shiite holy city of Najaf came under mortar fire Thursday in an attack that caused no casualties but showed increasing boldness from Shiite militiamen in the city. Militiamen also attacked a U.S. convoy passing through part of the city overnight, prompting an exchange that killed an Iraqi woman and wounded six people, hospital officials said.

The Fallujah violence, aired live on television screens with images of explosions and burning buildings, increased pressure on the United States to prevent a revival of the heavy bloodshed in Fallujah during the first two weeks of April.

"Violent military action by an occupying power against inhabitants of an occupied country will only make matters worse," U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) warned. "It's definitely time, time now for those who prefer restraint and dialogue to make their voices heard."

Mohsen Abdul-Hamid, a member of the U.S.-appointed Governing Council also called on the United States to stop attacks in Fallujah and said if the United States refused, his Iraqi Islamic Party would consider withdrawing from the council.

"We call on the American troops that are bombing Fallujah to stop immediately and withdraw outside of the city," Abdul-Hamid told al-Jazeera television. "Otherwise, we'll be forced ... to consider the subject of withdrawal."

On Wednesday, U.S. warplanes dropped 500-pound, laser-guided bombs on guerrilla targets as battles broke out in several parts of the city, including areas that had been relatively quiet.

One resident, Hassan al-Maadhidi, returned to Fallujah after fleeing earlier fighting and was distraught Thursday when he saw the destruction from fighting over the past three days.

"I returned yesterday to see houses destroyed, streets empty and shops bombarded," al-Maadhidi said, adding that he may flee the city again.

Witnesses reported at least 25 destroyed buildings. At least 10 people were injured in the fighting, hospital officials said Thursday. There were no reports of guerrilla casualties although insurgents often do not evacuate their casualties to hospitals, fearing that they could be arrested. Hospital officials said ambulances could not reach the areas where many of the battles took place.

In Baghdad, U.S. Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said the U.S. strikes were limited and aimed at gunmen who were attacking Americans.

"Even though it may not look like it, there is still a determined aspiration on the part of the coalition to maintain a cease-fire and solve the situation in Fallujah by peaceful means," he said.

The U.S. military announced that joint U.S.-Iraqi patrols into Fallujah would be delayed by a day, to Friday. The patrols were part of an effort to reduce tensions and stop Marine assault of the city.

Marine Lt. Col. Brennan Byrne said that when the patrols begin "we expect hostile fire. There is a cadre of bad guys that are still in Fallujah and anytime people go into Fallujah they get fired at."

In a report explaining the city's fierce resistance to the U.S. occupation, Middle East expert Anthony Cordesman said Fallujah had seen a rise in Islamic extremism even before the war.

Fallujah was a key bastion of support for Saddam Hussein's rule and the loss of vast subsidies it enjoyed under Saddam turned it into a hotbed of resistance, said Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

"Such areas had never had any clear economic reason for their privileges and promised to be the permanent losers" in a change in regime, it said.

The death in the roadside bombing Thursday raised to 117 the number of U.S. servicemembers killed in April, the bloodiest month for U.S. forces in Iraq. At least 725 U.S. troops have died in Iraq since the war began in March 2003. Up to 1,200 Iraqis also have been killed this month.

A volley of seven mortar rounds Thursday hit in and around the U.S. base in the holy city of Najaf, where anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr is based. The attack caused no damage or casualties, but it showed increasing boldness by militiamen. Attackers regularly mortar the camp — held by the Spanish until U.S. troops moved in this week — at night, but rarely during the day.


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To: OpusatFR
"They have to handle it some day. Better to find out now if they can do so in a contained situation."

While I agree with that, I also believe we are doing this too soon.
21 posted on 04/29/2004 4:42:48 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: Westbrook
Political indeed. GWB needs to tell the American voters he stuck by his self imposed deadline to return sovergnty to Iraq.
This move is all about the politics of getting re-elected and has nothing to do with hunting down insurgents / terrorists.
A blind man could see through this charade.
22 posted on 04/29/2004 4:43:46 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Pravious
Me, either. My trust in the brains-that-be is beginning to falter. Who's running the Iraq war? Jimmy Carter? What's with this "you have until tonight to hand in your weapons or else!" warning followed the next day by... nothing. Followed by a pull-out! What?! I don't care if the Iraqi police go in there and exterminate every bad guy... WE come out of it looking weak (except perhaps to the Socialist RATS in our own country, who see weakness as strength), which is not the signal we want to send to the Islamofascists across the world.

Agree completely.

This is a huge mistake.

23 posted on 04/29/2004 4:44:30 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: Eurotwit
Maybe it's time for the Special Ops guys. Something about this "pullout" does not sound right.
24 posted on 04/29/2004 4:45:21 AM PDT by devane617
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To: section9
I too am concerned. I haven't, until now, doubted our efforts. I'm now wondering if the President thinks an all out assault, with all the unkowns factored in (lot's of American deaths, big media showing the "slaughter", dems accusing of a Vietnamesque quagmire, world commdenation) will hurt his reeelection chances. If so, did he calculate what effect this will have on an American electorate that questions the goal of less than victory? I want us to win--in fact, we need to win in Iraq because it is a part of the war on terror forced upon us by 9/11.

I'm not sure pulling out of Fallujah is the way to win. I'm not in charge, so I don't get to call the shots, but this move sounds like something a Democrat leader would do, not a Republican.

25 posted on 04/29/2004 4:46:28 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Eurotwit
Never ever give up ground you have already bled to take...back to the enemy...that you may have to go back and take again...

We did in our AO in RVN DAILY.....over and over again....and lost guys taking the same ground over and over...

It was most disheartening...and tore the spirit out of the men and leaders....
26 posted on 04/29/2004 4:48:29 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Eurotwit
Why can't we just level that damn city and be done with it. What is really ticking me off about this is that I do not believe the military is making the calls on this one, the Bush admin. is. Let the Marines do what Marines do best; kill people and break stuff. God Bless our Marines, but I believe that their hands are being tied.

The other day on Fox they were interviewing a Marine (about 20 years old) manning a machine gun in Fallujah and his words were "just let us go in and finish it." That is what I am talking about.

27 posted on 04/29/2004 4:49:36 AM PDT by kissmyconservativebutt (That's right Kerry, kiss it!)
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To: af_vet_1981
No, Iraq is a quagmire which has stretched our forces thin and thus detracted from our national defense.
28 posted on 04/29/2004 4:51:56 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: prophetic
can we just use one tiny tactical nuke, huh, please??

That is pretty barbaric...I agree with you. Level that damn city and rebuild it for peaceful citizens later...rebuild with funds from oil.

29 posted on 04/29/2004 4:52:34 AM PDT by kissmyconservativebutt (That's right Kerry, kiss it!)
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To: section9
We can be fairly certain that there are booby traps and ambushes set throughout the city. Eventually, somebody is going to have to go in and do a "house to house" to clear the city. I'd just as soon send the Iraqi army in first and let them get some on the job training. If it doesn't work out, we can say that we tried... and then level the place.
30 posted on 04/29/2004 4:56:35 AM PDT by airborne (lead by example)
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To: Pravious
I think the Generals and top policy makers lost their nerve.

Report: Tentative handover deal in Fallujah

"..Meanwhile, west of the capital in Fallujah, Iraqi and U.S. Marine generals have reached a tentative agreement that would hand over control of the violence-wracked city to the new Iraqi army, according to a journalist embedded with the 1st Marine Division.

The deal is based on several caveats, including whether the Iraqi army can stop insurgents from launching attacks, Los Angeles Times reporter Tony Perry said.

Perry said it would be "a slow transition of a week or two" before the Marines would move out and let the new Iraqi army take over.

According to Perry, the Iraqi army would be led by the four Iraqi generals who met with their U.S. Marine counterparts Thursday.

It is not clear how the deal was brokered and whether it involved talks between Sunni sheikhs and coalition commanders and other officials..."

Worried link

... But officials in contact with the top US commander in Iraq said Gen. John Abizaid is "worried" the anti-American violence in Fallujah will spread. ...

31 posted on 04/29/2004 4:56:38 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Eurotwit
And who's willing to believe the AP's spin on anything.

I'll reserve judgement until I see what's actually happening after the Marines pull back.



32 posted on 04/29/2004 4:57:01 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: joesnuffy
Joe,

Exactly my thoughts. It definitely gives me a deja vu feeling. That's the reason VN was a war without a 'front'. We continually gave back what we fought to conquer. I may be premature, but I don't get the warm and fuzzies over this decision.
33 posted on 04/29/2004 4:58:09 AM PDT by sargunner
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To: Anti-Bubba182
We blinked.

We turned over Fallujah to 4 Iraqi Generals who worked for Saddam......and what the hell are we getting for it in return?

What is to become of the 2000 Terrorists?

Where are the men who butchered the contractors?

What has become of Zarqawi......who the CPA made a point in telling us was holed up in Fallujah.

34 posted on 04/29/2004 4:58:54 AM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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To: Eurotwit
This just pisses me off.

I am not there, and for God's sake I do not want to see more Marines or civilians die, but we cannot deal with these a$$holes by pulling back. You simply do not give up ground that you bleed for without a damn good reason. And TV images is not a good reason.

The Dems may be on to something, as much as I don't like to say it, but if we keep doing this candy assed crap it is going to be a Vietnam (take ground, pull out, and lose more troops trying to retake it later when the enemy takes advantage of your pullout

35 posted on 04/29/2004 5:00:21 AM PDT by kissmyconservativebutt (That's right Kerry, kiss it!)
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To: Dog
" We turned over Fallujah to 4 Iraqi Generals who worked for Saddam......and what the hell are we getting for it in return?"

We get to join hands and sing KumByYa...then duck.

36 posted on 04/29/2004 5:01:16 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: dawn53
I agree. It is too early to jump to any conclusions. Most of this info comes from Tony Perry of the LA Times, and he states that the deal is only tentative.

"Meanwhile, west of the capital in Fallujah, Iraqi and U.S. Marine generals have reached a tentative agreement that would hand over control of the violence-wracked city to the new Iraqi army, according to a journalist embedded with the 1st Marine Division.

The deal is based on several caveats, including whether the Iraqi army can stop insurgents from launching attacks, Los Angeles Times reporter Tony Perry said.

Perry said it would be "a slow transition of a week or two" before the Marines would move out and let the new Iraqi army take over.

According to Perry, the Iraqi army would be led by the four Iraqi generals who met with their U.S. Marine counterparts Thursday."

I trust the President.
37 posted on 04/29/2004 5:02:13 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
I trust the President.

I hope you are right. I really really do.

38 posted on 04/29/2004 5:03:30 AM PDT by kissmyconservativebutt (That's right Kerry, kiss it!)
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To: Eurotwit
Fox is now correcting the LA Times. There is no peace deal.

One interesting comment from the Washington Post via Kausfiles:

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A military intelligence officer noted this week that there have been no large car bombings in Baghdad since the Marines surrounded Fallujah in early April. "Fallujah is a place that is rife with terrorist leaders and bomb-makers who are responsible for attacks not just in Fallujah but across Iraq," the officer said.
39 posted on 04/29/2004 5:05:13 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: kissmyconservativebutt; All
Get this! Fox just announced there is NO PEACE DEAL in Fallujah. SHEESH!
40 posted on 04/29/2004 5:06:24 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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