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Senator LEVIN says Bush offered"to cut and run" in Iraq.(Senate floor)
http://thomas.loc.gov ^ | 4-29-04 | Senator LEVIN

Posted on 04/30/2004 6:27:48 AM PDT by OXENinFLA

Mr. LEVIN. Madam President, in the midst of the ongoing upsurge of the violence in Iraq, President Bush has offered two options for the United States. The first option is to stay the course; the second option is to cut and run. That is a false choice between staying the course and cutting and running. It is too typical of the black and white approach that this administration has repeatedly and unwisely taken.

(When has Pres. Bush EVER we would "cut and run"?)

For example, saying ``you are either with us or against us'' is a black and white choice--the stark choice the President laid down to allies. Well, it may make you feel good to say that, but it needlessly offends those who are certainly not hostile to the United States but may be unwilling to affirmatively endorse all of our actions.

In addition to the President's stark two options--staying the course or cutting and running--there is a third way, and that is to correct the course we are on. The administration has belatedly begun this process, but there is much to be done, and it is much harder and more difficult because of the administration's stubborn insistence that no mistakes were made and its refusal to learn the lessons that need to be learned from those mistakes.

For instance, after holding the United Nations at arm's length, the administration is now belatedly working with the U.N., asking them to help identify an entity to whom sovereignty could be restored by June 30--an entity which needs to have the confidence and credibility of the Iraqi people. I hope this will be the start of a true partnership at the U.N. in fostering Iraq's political and economic development.

The administration has decided to retain some troops in Iraq that were scheduled to leave, despite the fact that the administration disparaged General Shinseki when he foretold the need for more troops for the stability phase.

[Page: S4630] GPO's PDF

The administration decided to modify its policy on de-Baathification and reinstate about 11,000 teachers and hundreds of professors and is reportedly looking to reinstate others whose skills and support are needed for Iraq's development. I hope this revision is seen for what it is--acknowledgement that we went too far, acknowledgement that we made a mistake. I hope it will also include the removal of Ahmed Chalabi as the head of the de-Baathification program, as well. He is the wrong person for the job for a lot of reasons.

While not reversing the mistaken decision to disband the Iraqi Army, the administration's decision to bring back some military officers who were not high Baathists to help guide the new Iraqi Army and other security forces is a practical first step--very late. We only have a few thousand in the Iraqi Army who are now trained but long overdue.

One other mistake was perhaps the biggest mistake of all, in my judgment. Our uniformed military leadership was largely excluded from the planning for the potentially violent aftermath of the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime. The civilians in the Pentagon who were put in charge projected rose-colored scenarios in their planning for the aftermath: Our troops would be greeted with embraces and flowers. It would be a cakewalk.

Had our uniformed military leadership been more deeply involved in that planning, it would have been very different, as our military plans for worst case scenarios. The worst case scenario is what turned out to be the case. But uniformed military were all but left out of the planning for the post-Saddam period. General Tommy Franks, the now retired commander of Central Command who planned the other phases of the operation, confirmed that to me and to Senator Warner a few weeks ago.

On the matter of planning, I realize the administration is committed to the June 30 date for the restoration of Iraqi sovereignty. But I hope that commitment will not prevent it from planning for other options in the event Mr. Brahimi is not successful in identifying a credible entity to whom sovereignty can be restored by that date.

If we have a chance of succeeding and bringing stability and democracy to Iraq, it will mean learning from our mistakes, not denying them and not ignoring them.

I yield the floor.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush; carllevin; cutandrun; iraq; levin
I heard much on the news yesterday about Kennedy & Byrd's comments but nothing about this.

IMO this is big, LEVIN is part of the senior Democrats, and if this is the type of Doublespeak and out-right lies about Pres. Bush they(the dems) are going to use against Pres. Bush this must be pointed out NOW and refuted and rebutted by the right.

1 posted on 04/30/2004 6:27:49 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: StriperSniper; Mo1; Peach; Howlin; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
LEVIN from Yesterday.



2 posted on 04/30/2004 6:28:36 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (To me, it is a never ending marvel what our soldiers can do. ----------- PATTON)
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To: Admin Moderator
Could you opine on if this should be breaking?
3 posted on 04/30/2004 6:29:49 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (To me, it is a never ending marvel what our soldiers can do. ----------- PATTON)
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To: OXENinFLA
When has Pres. Bush EVER said we would "cut and run"?

Need more coffee.
4 posted on 04/30/2004 6:30:49 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (To me, it is a never ending marvel what our soldiers can do. ----------- PATTON)
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To: OXENinFLA
Let 'em keep it up (Kennedy, Byrd, Levin etc). They are just insuring a Bush landslide.
5 posted on 04/30/2004 6:30:51 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: ladtx
Not if they are out-right lying about Pres. Bush.

And this is a big LIE.
6 posted on 04/30/2004 6:35:49 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (To me, it is a never ending marvel what our soldiers can do. ----------- PATTON)
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To: OXENinFLA
And just what is wrong with black and white?
7 posted on 04/30/2004 6:35:58 AM PDT by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's good Grace. Come home when you're done. We'll be here.)
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To: OXENinFLA
Head hung in shame for my Senator...I'm sorry, the sack of waste that inhabits the office and purports to represent the interests in citizens of Michigan.

Of course, we can always depend of Debbie Stabmenow. (total barf bag sarcasm)
8 posted on 04/30/2004 6:36:14 AM PDT by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: OXENinFLA
I may be wrong, but I think Bush did say that those are America's two options, but also said that running is NOT an option he would consider.
9 posted on 04/30/2004 6:38:46 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: OXENinFLA
I have the senators office on the phone, Im getting the standard "taken out of context" run around..
10 posted on 04/30/2004 6:38:59 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Terrence Maculiffe-Ariolimax columbianus (hint- its a gastropod.....)
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To: OXENinFLA
The President has always said we would stay the course, although Fallujah might make one wonder if he means it. (I am hoping that I'm simply misunderstanding what is going on there.)
11 posted on 04/30/2004 6:40:45 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: HiJinx
And just what is wrong with black and white?

Nothing, my point on this is Levin is saying " the second option[Pres. Bush said] is to cut and run[in Iraq]."

To my memory Bush has NEVER said that.

12 posted on 04/30/2004 6:41:11 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (To me, it is a never ending marvel what our soldiers can do. ----------- PATTON)
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To: Lee'sGhost
That is the way I read it. Levin may have tried to distort it, but Bush say that often.

In just the way you describe.
13 posted on 04/30/2004 6:41:24 AM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: Lee'sGhost
I may be wrong, but I think Bush did say that those are America's two options, but also said that running is NOT an option he would consider.

BINGO, and now the left is trying to get the American people to think that it was[an option].

14 posted on 04/30/2004 6:43:08 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (To me, it is a never ending marvel what our soldiers can do. ----------- PATTON)
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To: OXENinFLA
They are preaching to their own choir, meanwhile to other, more sensible Americans they are being seen for what they are, political opportunists of the first order. I still say let them go on and on. With each outburst they only marginalize themselves and diminish their chances of any kind of Democrat win in November.
15 posted on 04/30/2004 6:43:21 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: OXENinFLA
Bush has only stated "We will not cut and run"
Levin is a little girl like Specter.
16 posted on 04/30/2004 6:46:19 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: OXENinFLA
I hate that this waste of skin is my sinator.
17 posted on 04/30/2004 6:47:50 AM PDT by mombonn
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To: OXENinFLA
For example, saying ``you are either with us or against us''...

No, what he said was "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists."

Levin, Kennedy, et al, have reached an all new level of dementia.

18 posted on 04/30/2004 6:48:32 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: mombonn
From remarks by President Bush, 12/15/03

Iraqis can count on America remaining there until the job is done. There will probably be some who will continue to test our will, but we will stay the course."


December 15, 2003

Q Thank you, sir. Will Saddam's capture accelerate the timetable for pulling U.S. troops out, and increase the likelihood of getting more foreign troops involved?

THE PRESIDENT: We will stay the course until the job is done, Steve. And the temptation is to try to get the President or somebody to put a timetable on the definition of getting the job done. We're just going to stay the course. And it's very important for the Iraqi people to know that. I've expressed that to Rend; I've told that to the Iraqi citizens with whom I have met on a regular basis.

I tell them two things: one, you can count on America remaining until the job is done. And it's important for them to hear that, because there will probably be some that will continue to test our will. They'll try to kill in hopes that we will flee. And the citizens of Iraq need to know we will stay the course.

I also tell them that now is a chance to seize the opportunity and show the world that which this government believes, and that is, you're plenty capable of governing yourself. And the level of the troops in Iraq will depend upon the security situation on the ground and those decisions will be made by our commanders. I have not changed my philosophy of how a President ought to act during wartime, which is to set the strategy, lay out the goals and empower the military people -- both civilian and uniform -- to make the decisions necessary to achieve the objective. And they will make those recommendations about troop levels and what is necessary.

19 posted on 04/30/2004 6:53:22 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (To me, it is a never ending marvel what our soldiers can do. ----------- PATTON)
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To: OXENinFLA
"I hope this will be the start of a true partnership at the U.N...."

Many of us are no longer delusional about the UN. Levin apparently still is. But then, this creepoid is delusional about alot of things. Wearing glasses halfway down you nose does NOT make you look smarter, Senator.
20 posted on 04/30/2004 6:57:22 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: OXENinFLA
Speaking of "cut and run" politics ...


"I actually voted for the $87 billion, before I voted against it".
21 posted on 04/30/2004 6:59:00 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: OXENinFLA
Being a muddled "gray" is what got us into this pickle in the first place.
The sandmaggots themselves have as much as said so numerous times in captures memos and communications. Being in the middle of the road gets you run over.

Some problems are black and white. Confronting pure savage primitive and uncompromising evil is one of them. What a marroon!

22 posted on 04/30/2004 7:00:26 AM PDT by Publius6961 (.)
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To: OXENinFLA
President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended Remarks by the President from the USS Abraham Lincoln At Sea Off the Coast of San Diego, California

The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done. Then we will leave, and we will leave behind a free Iraq.

23 posted on 04/30/2004 7:01:07 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (To me, it is a never ending marvel what our soldiers can do. ----------- PATTON)
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To: OXENinFLA
Tiny men... senile men... cannot even pretend to grasp the simplest but most noble ideals of true leaders:

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

This much we pledge—and more."

24 posted on 04/30/2004 7:07:55 AM PDT by Publius6961 (.)
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To: OXENinFLA
President's Message to the Iraqi People April 10, 2003

Pres. Bush: The goals of our coalition are clear and limited. We will end a brutal regime, whose aggression and weapons of mass destruction make it a unique threat to the world. Coalition forces will help maintain law and order, so that Iraqis can live in security. We will respect your great religious traditions, whose principles of equality and compassion are essential to Iraq’s future. We will help you build a peaceful and representative government that protects the rights of all citizens. And then our military forces will leave. Iraq will go forward as a unified, independent and sovereign nation that has regained a respected place in the world.

25 posted on 04/30/2004 7:14:46 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (To me, it is a never ending marvel what our soldiers can do. ----------- PATTON)
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To: Poohbah; section9; Howlin; PhiKapMom; Miss Marple
Some real interesting stuff here.
26 posted on 04/30/2004 7:19:08 AM PDT by hchutch (Tommy Thompson's ephedra ban STINKS.)
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To: OXENinFLA
I just don't know what the Democrats hope to gain by this. This is just not the Vietnam era. Sure, the troops in Iraq are having a hard time of it, sure things are difficult. Unlike Vietnam, the armed forces today are all volunteer. Yes, someone who volunteered may not have anticipated they would see combat, but nonetheless, they were told it was a possibility and they did volunteer. Nothing can change that fact. Thus, when Kennedy, Levin, et. al. take to the Senate floor to decry Iraq as Vietnam, they are only preaching to the choir of leftist kooks. There is not going to be outrage by the American public in general as there was when the armed forces were conscripted.
27 posted on 04/30/2004 7:20:19 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: FlipWilson
PLAYING POLITICS WITH IRAQ -- (Senate - April 29, 2004)


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Mr. STEVENS. Mr. President, as President pro tempore and presiding over the Senate, I have found the overheated rhetoric on Iraq over the last few days at best disappointing and at worst misleading, harshly partisan, and motivated by election year politics. I have simply had enough of this. I have come to the floor to ask my Senate colleagues to restore the level of debate that this institution demands. I urge the Senate to not play politics with Iraq.




Give me a sec. I'm going to make a thread of this, Stevens starts clubbing the dems w/ their own owrds..
28 posted on 04/30/2004 7:29:31 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (To me, it is a never ending marvel what our soldiers can do. ----------- PATTON)
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To: FlipWilson
PLAYING POLITICS WITH IRAQ (Senator STEVENS)
29 posted on 04/30/2004 7:35:05 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (To me, it is a never ending marvel what our soldiers can do. ----------- PATTON)
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To: OXENinFLA
And this is the reason why the Terrorists love Democrats

I just want to know why they hate our country so much they are willingly distorting the truth and saying bold face lies??

The Dem Leaders would have to being living under a rock not to realize this kind of talk encourages the terrorists

Is regaining power that important to put the lives of our military and the lives of American citizens in danger like they are?

30 posted on 04/30/2004 9:13:07 AM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: OXENinFLA
For example, saying ``you are either with us or against us'' is a black and white choice--the stark choice the President laid down to allies.

Let's see. The people in the WTC on 9-11 are either alive or dead. Yup. That's pretty black and white.

I'm from Michigan. Levin makes me puke.

Becki

31 posted on 04/30/2004 12:36:42 PM PDT by Becki (Pray continually for our leaders and our troops.)
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To: OXENinFLA
There's enough actual things to hate liberals over than to make things up. He's saying that Bush has tried to box Democrats in by saying that you are either for Bush's way or you are for cutting and running. He's not advocating cutting and running. It's the same as with "you're either for us or against us." Bush isn't advocating that people and nations be against us. He's offering what he thinks are the only two options. You can disagree that there are only two options regarding Iraq or disagree that Bush thinks there are only two options, but Levin isn't saying Bush has ever advocated cutting and running.
32 posted on 05/07/2004 9:28:35 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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