[NewLand]

Interesting...isn't this guy a 'hero' of The Left?

Would these same remarks, if made by a Conservative-White-Republican, be given 'a pass' by the liberal media?

Does this pass the "if Newt Gingrich said the same thing" test?

[NewLand]

strange? has this guy gone off the deep end?

[John Lenin]

That will be the last time Bill Cosby is ever invited to an NAACP event. Astounding !

[stylin19a]

Kweisi Mfume note to self: Leave Cosby off the future invite list

[Choose Ye This Day]

WHOA.

Don't let Danny Glover or Harry Belafonte hear about this.

[Rastus]

There was a thread about this yesterday. The freeper day shift responded positively to his comments.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1138606/posts?page=1,50

I'd have to hear how he said this but . . . I'm a law-and-order conservative, but I have a problem with shooting people over Coke and pound cake. I'm sure that was a joke. I can't imagine that statement being anything other than mocking those of us who do believe in being tough on crime. Then again, I don't have a son who was murdered.

[A CA Guy]

It's the parents fault in all areas of education, not just these minorities.
The teacher's union also knows it, but monopolize on the parental responsibility gap to fill the union coffers.

Want to increase education, get the unions out of teaching along with their lawyers.

I think Cosby had gonads to give this speech to that particular crowd. Good for him.

[CatAtomic]

I often wonder what Martin Luther King would think of the current free-for-all idiocy that his supposed surrogate Jackson is promoting. The mighty man is spinning in his grave with shallow freaks like Jackson/Sharpton destroying the word.

[BfloGuy]

Would these same remarks, if made by a Conservative-White-Republican, be given 'a pass' by the liberal media?

Well, you know the answer -- of course not.

But we all have to get over the idea of answering them with the fairness issue. The left has changed its philosophy from the one we believe in -- western rational thinking -- to another model that claims that the majority in power are there only because of privilege.

In their eyes privilege is power and anything can be excused by those not in power. It's patent nonsense of course but our arguments for justice (as we understand it) just fall on purposely deaf ears.

That said, I'm really pleased to read that Cosby spoke some truth. He is an unabashed leftist, but it appears his ol' brain still works from time to time.

[Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit]

No it doesn't pass if Newt says the same thing, but it does not matter. I am proud of Cosby for saying this and we should all be rejoicing that Black Americans have a few leaders that are willing to speak the truth to them on occassion.

His point that blacks can't speak English, is important to understand though.

Most blacks brought to the US as slaves never learned to speak English properly. Segregated schools did not teach it to them and so parents passed on the black dialect of English - some call it Ebonics - to their children generation after generation. It is not as if blacks one day decided to speak differently. They never spoke "High English"

Dialects in Europe are so much more common and recognized that they are now seen as something valuable and worth preserving. But that does not mean that every student is not (in for instance Germany) taught how to speak High German.

There was a big outrage several years ago about "Ebonics". This was perhaps a ploy to get English as a Second Language money from the state.

But, ladies and gentlemen, perhaps this is exactly the type of investment black children need. Not welfare, not prisons, but English. Just like Europe they should be able to preserve their dialect and culture at home. But in the marketplace they need to speak High English.

Every other immigrant group has managed this after the 3rd generation. I am not sure why blacks have not. But, I would be willing to make the case that the reparations we owe blacks for slavery should be made by teaching their children how to speak proper English.

Lastly, if you have never learned to speak a foreign language, don't even bother to comment on how easy or hard it is.

[TheSpottedOwl]

I can't believe Cosby said that. Maybe he's changing his political POV?

[DoughtyOne]

Well in this instance Cosby should be given a lot of credit for saying exactly what any concerned citizen should say to any group of people who have not taken responsibility for their own actions.

If you don't speek english, don't expect a fortune 500 company to hire you. If you don't get up in the morning, shower, shave and get your house in order, don't expect to be successful.

In some respect Shaw was right by mentioning that not all problem people are black. In every other respect he was a chump for saying what he did. Blacks make up roughly 11% of the U.S. population, whites aroung 65-70%. Of course there are going to be more whites on welfare. Proportionately, there are far more blacks on welfare than whites.

Blacks, hispanics, whites... you name it, people who wish to be successful and work for it, generally do become successful in this nation.

Blacks have been failed by two entities in this nation, their leadership, and themselves.

[Pontiac]

Cosby said, according to Leiby: "Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids – $500 sneakers for what? And won't spend $200 for 'Hooked on Phonics.'

I have said it before on this forum, the Black community needs to cultivate the ‘Jewish mother’ philosophy in their culture.

The Jewish mothers have traditionally instilled in their children the work ethic that pushes the children to study hard get good grades and above all learn.

Presently a much more self-defeating culture exists in the Black community. It is ‘White’ to study hard and get good grades. You are sucking up to the man if you get good grades.

[Imal]

After the speech, Kweisi Mfume reported told Bill Cosby, "Who axed you, foo?"

[ChefKeith]

Well maybe if the majority of them were not dealing crack and stayed in school they MIGHT learn something basic, and I'm not talking frickin' ebonics!

I'm a high school drop-out and while I'm no rocket engineer I can hold My own (and yes I'm white)

[devolve]

Bill Cosby slowly worked his way up the ladder working in small clubs.

He would bath and dress in tiny club dressing rooms.

Cosby fought his way to the top and did it with style and made America laugh when it really needed to.

I miss Bill Cosby's genius at old original routines.

He always had a wonderful talent because he worked at his craft, spoke great clear English, learned what his audience liked, was good with differnt voices.

His "Noah and the Flood" routine is is a Golden Oldie.

I recall almost driving off the road driving back from Lauderdale the first time I heard it.

And Cosby did not have to work "blue" to be funny.

Bob Newheart had much the same popularity with similiar material.

Bill Cosby made it big in comedy because he was a top performer.

Nat King Cole was a top flight performer for the same reasons.

Race had nothing to do with it pro or con; Cosby was no affirmative action lotto winner for sure.



Congrats Bill, America needs to hear the simple basic truth and you had the guts to do it.


As Noah said:


"Right!"


-- Good Night Fat Albert wherever you are!

[heavy12773]

is that why they say crosby instead of cosby?

[dawn53]

Bill Cosby has an earned Masters and Doctorate in Education. Obviously education is one of his main interests. Notice his reference to "Hooked on Phonics."

[Recovering_Democrat]

Cosby, a pretty liberal guy is saying this?? Holy Toledo. Do I hear thundering hoofbeats? Are the Four Horsemen approaching?

[tkathy]

If there's one thing that the WOT has pointed out, it is the destructive nature of the politics of endless victimhood.

[mhking]

I would have my head handed to me if I made a similar statement in a similar venue.

There IS still a politically correct double standard. The difference here is that Cosby is someone that Mfume & Swygert (I love Howard Univ.; both the wife and I went to school there; but the staff and administration are loaded with leftists) thought was safe.

From my website yesterday:

Monday night, at Washington's Constitution Hall, Bill Cosby was part of a celebration of the 50th anniversary of the Supreme Court's Brown v. Board of Education decision.

Some of his comments, though, didn't sit well with members of the Soul Patrol.

"Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal," he declared. "These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids -- $500 sneakers for what? And won't spend $200 for 'Hooked on Phonics.'...

"They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English," he exclaimed. "I can't even talk the way these people talk: 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' ... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk ... Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads ... You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth!"

The Post's Hamil Harris reports that Cosby also turned his wrath to "the incarcerated," saying: "These are not political criminals. These are people going around stealing Coca-Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake and then we run out and we are outraged, [saying] 'The cops shouldn't have shot him.' What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand?"

After Cosby's excoriation, NAACP head Kweisi Mfume came to the podium, accompanied by NAACP legal defense fund head Theodore Shaw and Howard University president H. Patrick Swygert. Their stony visages gave away their displeasure of Cosby's remarks.

Shaw told the crowd that most people on welfare are not African American, and many of the problems his organization has addressed in the black community were not self-inflicted. Figures. Taking responsibility is obviously not one of Shaw's strong suits.

All I can say is that it's about damn time that Cosby spoke up.