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Iraq Desert Bombing Video Shows Carnage
Associated Press ^ | 05-21-2004 | Scheherezade Faramarzi

Posted on 05/21/2004 2:07:06 PM PDT by Gippers Brigade

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Fragments of musical instruments, tufts of women's hair, and a large blood stain are among the scenes in Associated Press Television News film of a destroyed house that survivors say U.S. planes bombed during a wedding party.

It is the first known footage of the aftermath of Wednesday's attack, which killed up to 45 people, mostly women and children from the Bou Fahad tribe in Mogr el-Deeb, a desert village on the Syrian border.

The U.S. military has said the target was a suspected safehouse for foreign fighters from Syria and denied Friday that children were killed in the airstrikes.

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt told reporters in Baghdad that U.S. troops who reported back from the operation "told us they did not shoot women and children."

"There were a number of woman, a handful of women, I think the number was four to six, caught up in the engagement. They may have died from some of the fire that came from the aircraft," Kimmitt said.

But an Associated Press reporter in the Ramadi area, at least 275 miles east of Mogr el-Deeb, was able to identify at least 10 of the bodies as those of children.

At the Bou Fahad cemetery outside Ramadi, where the tribe is based, each of the 28 fresh graves contain one to three corpses, mostly of mothers and their young children.

Relatives said they include those of 2-year-old Kholood and 1-year-old Anoud, daughters of Amal Rikad, who was killed; of 2-year-old Raad and 1-year-old Ra'ed — whose headless body was found near his house — sons of Fatima Madhi, who was killed; of Saad, 10, Faisal, 7, Anoud, 6, Fasila, 5, Kholood, 4, and Inad, 3 — children of Mohammed and Morifa Rikad, who were killed.

There also are photo images of dead children, but it was not possible to determine if those victims were already accounted for by relatives.

Bou Fahad tribesmen denied there were foreign fighters among their community. They consider the desolate border area part of their territory and follow their goats, sheep and cattle there to graze. In the springtime they leave spacious homes in Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province, and roam the desert.

Smuggling livestock into Syria is also part of a herdsman's life, although no one in the tribe acknowledged that.

Weddings are often marked in Iraq (news - web sites) with celebratory gunfire, but survivors insisted no weapons were fired Wednesday — despite speculation by Iraqi officials that this drew a mistaken American attack.

The first bomb hit the huge goat-hair tent — where male guests were said to be sleeping — at about 2:45 a.m. Wednesday. The barrage didn't stop until sunrise, witnesses said. Women and children were in an adjacent one-story house and the men went to their nearby homes, they said.

After the first missile, Hamdan Khalaf ran in panic and hid in a grassy area.

"In the morning, we went back to the hill and saw people torn apart, attacked by the plane," Khalaf, who was not wounded, told APTN Thursday.

"We pulled them out of here," another man told APTN, standing on a pile of stones as he picked up a stained green cloth that looked like part of a young man's shirt. A severed arm lay in the rubble. "We took them to hospital — straight to the fridge," the unidentified man said.

An angry voice in the background of the tape denounced President Bush (news - web sites). "This is his terrorism," the voice said.

The body of what survivors said was the wedding's cameraman was pulled out of the debris Thursday.

The footage also showed women in colorful clothes sifting through the wreckage and carrying away blankets and other goods. Pieces of rockets and bullet casings were strewn across the sandy plain, as were pots and pans and a satellite dish. Partly charred pickup trucks and a water tanker stood in the desert.

The attack left few survivors. About a dozen wounded were taken to the town of Qaem, about 140 miles northwest of Ramadi and 130 miles north of Mogr el-Deeb.

Witnesses, interviewed Thursday by AP in Ramadi, said revelers at the wedding party began worrying when they heard aircraft overhead at about 9 p.m. Tuesday. Then came military vehicles, which stopped about two miles away from the village and switched off their headlights. The planes were still overhead at 11 p.m, so the hosts told the band to stop playing and everyone went to bed.

About four hours later, airstrikes began and continued until dawn when two helicopters landed and about 40 soldiers searched the house where the women had stayed and a second, vacant house. Soon after, the two houses were blown up. Some witnesses said the houses were attacked by helicopters; others said Americans detonated them with explosives.

Kimmitt confirmed that the operation was an air and ground assault. "Those people on the ground identified no children as part of that location that were killed," he said, adding that they reported only adult deaths.

He also referred to the APTN video and separate APTN footage from Wednesday in Ramadi that showed a headless body of a child and other bodies of children.

"What we saw in those APTN videos were substantially inconsistent with the reports we received from the unit that conducted the operation," Kimmit said. "We're now trying to figure out why there's an inconsistency.

"We're keeping an open mind as to exactly what happened on the ground. That's why we're continuing to try to gather all the facts; that's why we're not ruling out anything based on information coming forward," he added.


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To: Veracious Poet

Yeah...I think back to the Racak Massacre in Kosovo, and how the Serbs were accused of murdering women and children, execution style, and dumping them in a trench. It was such a horrific site that it was one of the justifications that Clinton used for starting that war.

Fortunatley, forensic tests done by Finnish and UN investigators proved that the accounts given by these "KLA" citizens, didn't exactly match what they said occured. Without going over all the details (just Google), let's remember that the KLA was also filled with Muslim extremists. It's unfortunate, but these Muslims now know how to play the Western media better than our own politicians. It would not be unusual for them to kill their own...or move bodies from other areas, to advance their agenda.


21 posted on 05/21/2004 2:29:16 PM PDT by cwb (Liberals: Always fighting for social justice in all the wrong places.)
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To: Gippers Brigade

bmp


22 posted on 05/21/2004 2:29:52 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: gohd

Yes it is...especially with the Muslims history in Racak, Jenin, Chechnya and other conflict zones. These people have no apprehension about killing their own to secure a propaganda victory...or at least using them as human shields.


24 posted on 05/21/2004 2:33:34 PM PDT by cwb (Liberals: Always fighting for social justice in all the wrong places.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Are the US military brass as dumb as a bag of hair, that they do not realize this obvious point?

Generally they do. I hope nobody has to eat any shoes on this one.
25 posted on 05/21/2004 2:34:18 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: MediaMole

GOHD = GO Howard Dean


26 posted on 05/21/2004 2:34:43 PM PDT by 100American
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To: Gippers Brigade

According to the military, they scouted this place for days or even weeks, knew exactly what was going on there, and reported few if any women and no children were killed. Now we have film showing something entirely inconsistent with the military version. I want to believe the military, but I think the ball is in their court now.


27 posted on 05/21/2004 2:35:09 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Steve_Seattle
I have it on good authority that AC130 gunships aren't flown in to support a ground action against anything smaller than a grand banquet!! I also have it on good authority that a ground action 130 miles from the nearest military base of operations isn't conducted unless the intelligence supports it!

Rest assured that the military version is the correct one.

Does anyone remember the story of Scheherazade from the 'Arabian Nights Tales'?
28 posted on 05/21/2004 2:45:49 PM PDT by noscreenname ("Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure" - Aliens)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Why do marriage parties have satellite phones?


29 posted on 05/21/2004 2:46:40 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: Congressman Billybob
"Where are the G*d-d*mned gunsight photos and on-the-ground photos that the US military MUST have? They went in on the ground to collect weapons and other stuff. This press bullsh*t will continue to fester until the military gets the facts out. "

If it is true that ground forces never got closer than two miles away at night, then it is a pretty good bet they had no idea who they were attacking before they attacked. I agree they need to get evidence out and they need to do it quickly.
31 posted on 05/21/2004 2:49:22 PM PDT by monday
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To: Gippers Brigade

Gen. Kimmett on Hannity radio:

Coalition are almost certain they had a 'real' target that they 'took out.' [It wasn't just an innocent wedding party.]

The General wouldn't go into much more detail on an open phone line.

[Someone posted in an earlier thread that, in Iraq, all weddings take place on Thursday for some ethic reason. This attack took place on Wednesday (early a.m.) and, thus, could not have been a wedding party.]


32 posted on 05/21/2004 2:51:28 PM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"I would surmise that after the attack, the insurgents killed women and children in order to try and implicate Americans. "

I suppose you think they used hellfire missiles to kill them too. "Could you just stand here with your children while we aim these missiles at you please?"

Hell, I guess anything is possible, it just seems a bit of a stretch.
33 posted on 05/21/2004 2:57:25 PM PDT by monday
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To: gohd

I've read Scheherezade's "reportage" before. Florid imaginings soup with a only a sprinkling of fact. It's enough for me to make a judgement. Besides, there are other reports that dispute what Faramarzi says about it being a "wedding party."


34 posted on 05/21/2004 3:00:22 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Gippers Brigade

War is Hell...


35 posted on 05/21/2004 3:05:23 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (god.....I hate politicians)
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To: aft_lizard
I would presume that terrorists, like everyone else, get married (especially those who are not going to be suicide bombers). Why can't this situation have been both--a terrorist nest and a wedding party?
36 posted on 05/21/2004 3:10:19 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Gippers Brigade

So what does the AP expect us to believe? That the US military was having a dull day so they decided to go bomb a bunch of shepherds out in the middle of the desert?

There's more to this story than they're admitting. This is the kind of coverage we can expect if Osama is captured/killed before the election.


37 posted on 05/21/2004 3:11:36 PM PDT by watchin
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To: Gippers Brigade

Did anyone stop to think that some of these terrorists may be packing their families around with them and they got caught in the crossfire?


38 posted on 05/21/2004 3:26:06 PM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: monday

Anything reported by AP is "a bit of a stretch."

AP = All Propaganda.


39 posted on 05/21/2004 3:32:42 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Gen. Custer wore an Arrowsmith shirt to his last property owner convention.)
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To: MizSterious
If they are true to their usual MO then they had any number of woman and children all around the area to serve as Shields in the event they were attacked. They were probably pretty surprised when an AC-130 opened up on them from a couple of thousand feet in air! And the one guy said he ran and hid when the shooting started. If he could do that why couldn't others have done the same thing. Nope, I would sooner believe the military version of the story. As much as I hate to admit it, I would not be too chagrined if it turned out our guys made a mistake and it was indeed a wedding celebration then that's the breaks of war. It's one thing to intentionally target civilians and quite another when you get bad intelligence. Time was I would have been a bit more concerned, but I am a firm believer that you have to take a war to the enemy in a manner that they fear and respect.
40 posted on 05/21/2004 4:40:28 PM PDT by jwpjr
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