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1 posted on 05/23/2004 8:09:03 AM PDT by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98

Well, when the SC finds the constitutionally grounded "right not to be offended" then maybe he'll be happy. Until then I'm afraid he will have to deal with the free speech rights of Christians and everyone else.


2 posted on 05/23/2004 8:14:58 AM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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I wonder how "Campus Crusade for Islam" might have approached them.


3 posted on 05/23/2004 8:18:00 AM PDT by glaux
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Fool. How many liberal 'crusades' operate in exactly the same way?

In any case, what they're talking about in this case is both a direct limit on speeach and religion. Telling them to 'strictly adhere to a process of recruiting already established members of their faith' is a limitation I don't think the anti-war, pro-abortion, or pro-communist/lesbian/feminist/gay/facist/enviro-peaceniks would adhere to, either. Unless, of course, they're saying that Christians shouldn't have the same rights as anyone else BECAUSE of their religion....and they may be saying exactly that.

5 posted on 05/23/2004 8:21:54 AM PDT by atomicpossum (I give up! Entropy, you win!)
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"We must demand that religious clubs restrict their recruiting processes to exclude converting students."


Poor students. No minds of their own. They'll believe anything you tell them. Naturally, it's vitally important to protect these innocent vulnerable children from the hazards of thinking.


7 posted on 05/23/2004 8:25:54 AM PDT by nosofar
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Current educational mission statement: The university stands for diversity, as long as it excludes judeo Christian concepts, capitalism, and democracy, and promulgate hatred of the US, especially white people.


8 posted on 05/23/2004 8:29:10 AM PDT by evolved_rage (Where they take an arm and a leg.)
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To: chance33_98
This group has had a lot of time to perfect its techniques and is a master of social engineering. I’m talking, of course, about the Christians.

We've had 2000 years to get it right.

I've invited about a dozen non-believers to a bar-b-que at our church today. I don't care if they think it's spam. I don't care if they call me every name under the sun. I'm gonna praise God and pass the ribs.

Hallelujah...!

9 posted on 05/23/2004 8:34:53 AM PDT by freebilly (Vote Kerry-- 1 Billion Muslims Can't Be Wrong....)
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Dear Mr. Morten,

Instead of trying to shut people up by using the force of the State, did you ever think of saying 'no thank you, please leave me and my friends to eat our lunch in peace '?

14 posted on 05/23/2004 9:05:37 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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I have a simple way to deal with religious proselytizers, whatever their faith. I simply say, "I do not discuss religion with strangers." If they persist, I ask them if they heard what I had said. If they continue to persist, I insist they leave me along.

Works every time.


21 posted on 05/23/2004 9:53:05 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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[ It’s our responsibility as Cal Poly students to let these clubs know we’re not stupid, we’re not naive and we won’t put up with their tactics. ]

He says he's not ignorant or a naif. About what.?. An unproven allegation. Puffing up like a cat and hissing don't make you smart or worldly.

25 posted on 05/23/2004 10:33:58 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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The boldness of Satan versus the meekness of most Christians. Very rarely
do I take advantage of this forum to share my personal views, but today is
an exception. If there is one thing in this world that upsets me more than
anything else, it is the bold way that satan shares his message of sin with
this world, and how afraid most Christians are to share our message! Satan
brings the world a message that is designed to kill, steal, and destroy
lives. He has NO FEAR in presenting that message as boldly as he is able
to.

Yet we, those who have placed our faith in Christ, who have the ONLY
true message of everlasting life, who have the ONLY message of hope for this
hurting and lost world, meekly, almost ashamedly, present our message in the
most low-key form possible! WHY??????

Satan knows the weaknesses of man. He has man's nature down to a science.
Greed, sex, alcohol, drugs, gambling, food are the most base weaknesses. So
satan uses the modern day media to flaunt his message of "greed is good,"
sex is great any way that you can get it no matter what form it takes,
alcohol is socially acceptable, drugs are the "in thing," gambling is just
harmless entertainment, and food is a necessity of life that we should enjoy
no matter how much of it we eat.

These messages permeate the world that we live in. We are bombarded
endlessly with them by the media to a point that we accept them as fact.
Satan knows that this strategy works because there will be nobody bold
enough to counter or challenge his message. His message in the mainstream
media goes mostly unchallenged. HE REALIZES THAT VERY FEW
CHRISTIANS IN A SECULAR FORUM WILL CHALLENGE WHAT HE SAYS!

The FACT IS, greed is NOT good, it is evil. Sex is designed ONLY in the
confines of marriage. Alcohol affects your brain and is a crutch that many
turn to, to numb their way thru life. Drugs are an escape from reality that
will destroy you. Gambling is a misuse of the resources that God has
entrusted to you and is poor stewardship. Food is necessary, but only when
you consume the right kinds of food and the right amounts. Who out there is
telling THIS SIDE, the TRUE SIDE, GOD'S SIDE of this story to the world at
large????
Answer...not many!!!!

My friend, it is time for God's people to stand up, to say, "DEVIL, ENOUGH
IS ENOUGH." Our churches are just as much to blame!!! Many don't even deal
with the needs of their congregations, let alone the world outside the doors
of the church. It is time to stand up and accept the responsibility God has
given to those in leadership, those who call themselves Christians, and take
His message of hope and everlasting life through Jesus Christ to this lost
and sin-filled world. How can the devil be so bold with lies, and God's
people so timid with the truth????


54 posted on 05/23/2004 11:28:51 AM PDT by Gone_Postal ("government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to it all away)
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On FR I have rarely seen such utter contempt for the freedom of speech as I have seen on this thread.

Some here have all but stated that their imaginary right not to be annoyed trumps the free speech rights of those who share their faith.

Sorry folks, but freedom of speech is still constitutional, at least until spineless crybabies such as you get into power.


76 posted on 05/23/2004 3:22:04 PM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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Hmmm.


86 posted on 05/23/2004 7:42:32 PM PDT by Old Professer
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I agreed with the author up until the point where he wanted to enact a policy to change the situation. No policy change is necessary.

Personally, I find the stealth and subterfuge used by the Campus Crusade in this instance, deplorable. But tolerating it is the price you pay for free speech.

87 posted on 06/17/2004 6:02:22 PM PDT by Melas
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