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Ebonics! Weird Names! $500 Shoes! Shrill Bill Cosby and the speech that shocked black America
Village Voice ^ | May 26 - June 1, 2004 | Ta-Nehisi Coates

Posted on 05/25/2004 10:30:56 AM PDT by dead

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To: dead
This article would be less hypocritical if it were written in Ebonics.
61 posted on 05/25/2004 11:29:00 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: Redcoat LI

She(?) changed it from Syaneekwa, as not to be confused with her sister, T'aNiquah.


63 posted on 05/25/2004 11:29:31 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: hopespringseternal
Fools don't know the difference between vulgarity and humor.

I'm just stating a fact. That's how black humor is - raw, profane, and filled with sex and violence - and that's how young black adults and most whites like it.

64 posted on 05/25/2004 11:30:24 AM PDT by ServesURight
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To: dead
He was correct in his observation, and correct to voice it. It's America, you can do this stuff here. Remember?

By the way, people from all over the world come here and struggle to master the language.. enough to succeed and to assimilate. Why have some people been here for over 2 centuries and WILL NOT assimilate? Insult to injury, these losers blame the rest of us who are succeeding and say that it's our fault they cannot succeed as well. If my grandparents would not assimilate when they arrived in the 20's, well I'd be on the bottom of the food chain too.
65 posted on 05/25/2004 11:31:29 AM PDT by SMARTY
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To: dead
Cosby is right...about time someone said it.

The truth hurts...that's why so many are incensed about his remarks. THEY ARE TRUE.

And this "gangsta" crap is getting very old; it's getting where I can't watch anything on TV with this mentality - it's like watching Whoopi Goldberg on "Hollywood Squares"...she produces that program for only one purpose - as a forum to cut down whites, and Bush. Didn't I hear she had been cancelled?
67 posted on 05/25/2004 11:34:32 AM PDT by FrankR
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To: dead
But over the past couple of decades, he's played one ugly role that his activist friends like to ignore—patron saint of black elitists.

If you don't endorse black pathology, you're an elitist. I guess we need more elitists.

68 posted on 05/25/2004 11:38:46 AM PDT by Agnes Heep (Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
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To: Grim
"So speaking proper english is "elitist?" Coz is right and Ta-Nehisi Coates is exactly the 'knucklehead' he was talking about."

That's what's so sad about this article...the author is a classist himself. He can't stand what men like Bill Cosby have become. He would apparently rather him behave like an "everyman" black man. What the heck does that mean??? Shouldn't that be offensive??? Any FReepers with thoughts on the subject?

In his criticism of Bill Cosby stereotyping black men, the author manages to stereotype them himself, essentially using the same argument that Cosby did. Interesting, huh? So the argument isn't whether what Cosby said was true, but whether black men who "can't speak English" should aspire to greater things.

Bill Cosby indicates that black men can make themselves better by themselves. The author says that if they do happen to have a better life, they're elitists.

Who has the better, more inspiring message?

69 posted on 05/25/2004 11:42:16 AM PDT by scott7278 ("FR will NOT be used to help replace Bush with a Democrat." -- Jim Robinson, 2/01/04)
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To: dead
And don't forget the revelations of his booty calls while he was criticizing the movie "Booty Calls"!

That was funny!
70 posted on 05/25/2004 11:42:44 AM PDT by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: dead
The comedian launched into a relentless attack on poor and working-class African Americans...

And here we see the problem. Cosby's remarks were not a "relentless attack" on anyone. They were a plain, simple assertion that the only people keeping these people down is themselves - through their own acceptance of little, if any, standards of behavior, self-discipline, self-control, parental responsibility, etc.

71 posted on 05/25/2004 11:45:55 AM PDT by Sicon
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Cosby himself used to be hard-ass. Check out the movie "Uptown Saturday Night" with him and Sidney Poitier. Lot's of jive-turkey talkin' and mofos spewing from his mouth.

Yes, but that movie was filmed 30 years ago and, since then, Cosby has changed...............Unlike most Democrats who live life as if the calendar is perpetually set in 1969.


72 posted on 05/25/2004 11:50:50 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Incorrigible

It was absolutely hysterical, and illustrative, much like Jesse Jackson "ministering" to Bill Clinton over his infidelities while trying to payoff the mother of his love child.


73 posted on 05/25/2004 11:51:18 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

One wonders why the author didn't write this article in Ebonics.


74 posted on 05/25/2004 11:52:21 AM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Red Badger

No lie! I once had a student named (also no lie) NyQuille. Someone should have had that child's parents locked away for naming a kid that!


75 posted on 05/25/2004 11:53:03 AM PDT by Bombardier (Target.....target....target....BOMBS AWAY!!!)
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To: Paul Atreides

I never got Fat Albert. Dumb Donald wore uh lampshade fo' uh hat, Russell dressed like uh bag beotch, an' Bucky appeared ta be da victim o' uh back-alley orthodontist. Bill Cosby'sdistorted, funny-looking kids couldn't smoke fire from they hands, an' dey wouldn't know uh weather dominator from uh flux capacitor. Instead, dey wuz uh dum an' dumpy bunch who conquered da travails o' life (deodorant? candy overload?) wiff one simple weapon—Fat Albert'sformidable moral center.


I thought about dat moral center last week, when Cosby ventured down ta Washington an' ripped into da have-nots among us. The occasion wuz da 50th anniversary o' Brown v. Board o' Ed, an' da Coz had been invited ta Chocolate City by da NAACP Legal Defense Fund, da NAACP proper, an' Howard University. The triumvirate had decided ta honor Cosby fo' havin' "advanced da promise o' Brown." Cosby decided ta do some advancing o' his own.


The comedian launched into uh relentless attack on poor an' working-class African Americans, criticizing dem fo' everything from what dey name they kids ta how dey speak. "Ladies an' gentlemen, da lower-economic peeps iz not holding up they end in dis here deal," he told da audience, in remarks later quoted by gossip columnists. "These peeps iz not parenting. They iz buying things fo' they kids—$500 sneakers fo' what?"


And then: "They're standing on da corner an' dey can't speak English. I can't even jive da way deez peeps talk: 'Why ya ain't?' 'Where ya iz?' . . . And I blamed da kid until I heard da mudda jive. And then I heard da father jive. . . . Everybody knows it'simportant ta speak English except deez knuckleheads. . . . You can't be uh doctor wiff dat kind o' crap coming out o' yo' mouth!"


Ouch.


Cosby has said his werdz wuz taken out o' context, which iz tough ta prove since officials at Howard won't release uh video o' da event. News organizations around da nation gots been asking fo' uh copy.


According ta one eyewitness, Coz lampooned blacks fo' giving they kids weird names like Ali an' Shaniqua an' finished up by launching uh parting barrage at da prisoners rights movement. "These iz peeps going around stealing Coca-Cola," da press reported. "People getting smok'd in da back o' da head over uh piece o' pound cake an' then we's run out an' we's iz outraged, [saying] 'The 5-0's shouldn't gots smok'd him.' What da hell wuz he doin' wiff da pound cake in his hand?"


Cosby'saudience wuz reportedly shocked by da classist diatribe. They shouldn't gots been. Throughout his career, Bill Cosby has been many fine things—brilliant humorist, anti-apartheid activist, champion o' historically negroid colleges, ta name uh few. But over da past couple o' decades, he'splayed one ugly role dat his activist niggas like ta ignore—patron saint o' negroid elitists.


Let'snot act like Cosby'spoints iz baseless. Here in New York, negroid activists rail against da evils o' Giulianism, but shrink from confronting crack dealers. That said, Cosby'scritique betrays his own narcissism—like da dandies who worship him, he fancies himself an everyman, but he'sembarrassed by everymen. He'sbeen uh tireless critic o' fellow negroid comedians, many o' whom—for bettah an' worse—chose ta follow in Richard Pryor'sfootsteps instead o' his. At last year'sEmmys, Wanda Sykes asked Cosby what accounted fo' his success an' dat o' other early negroid comics. Cosby, clearly annoyed wiff da demonstrative Sykes, fixed her wiff an ice-grill an' said, "We spoke English."


Broken English iz an obsession o' Cosby 's. In 1997, he wrote uh mocking editorial fo' The Wall Street Journal denouncing da Oakland School Board fo' teaching Ebonics. "In London, I guess Cockney would be da equivalent o' Ebonics," wrote Cosby. "And though dey may study Cockney at Oxford as part o' literature, I doubt dey teach it." The fact wuz, da Oakland School Board never planned ta "teach" Ebonics. They actually planned ta teach proper English ta young kids usin' Ebonics. But facts wuz irrelevant ta Cosby cuz whenever he walked into uh cocktail party an' uh stuffed shirt made uh joke about Ebonics, his self-image crumpled from da hit.


In da '80s, Cosby'selitism wuz relatively benign, uh punchline in an Eddie Murphy joke. But amid his most significant an' entertaining werk, The Cosby Show, dere wuz always uh whack o' bourgeois fantasy. The marriage o' uh negroid doctor an' uh negroid lawyer wuz blatantly calculated ta send uh message. You could almost see da algebra etched on Heathcliff'sforehead (Negroid MD + Negroid JD - Cousin on Smack = Good PR fo' Jack-and-Jillers).


There wuz nahh toilets in da Huxtable home, an' da family repped fo' everything da elite liked ta th'o't it wuz. In reality, dat elite enjoyed uh frightening proximity ta da rest o' us. But The Cosby Show, at its root, wuz fighting racist propaganda wiff race-conscious propaganda. We'd survived Good Times, so da face-lift Cosby offered wuz welcome. But it wuz still Cosby doin' da surgery. Which explains why, during da show'sheyday, in da midst o' Reaganomics, wiff black-on-black crime surging, wiff da crack epidemic wreaking havoc, wiff New York (where da show wuz based) in racial hysteria, Theo never so much as had his pockets run.


The show'sobsession wiff keeping up appearances wuz not only uh product o' its creator, but o' its creator'sgeneration. It'snahh mistake dat negroid America'sbiggest awards show iz da NAACP Image Awards. Ditto fo' da Coz'srecent diatribe. The civil rights crowd has had uh rough 30 years as da old tactics o' marching an' boycotting gots come up lame. Its leaders, like Cosby himself, iz in winter, an' havin' beaten Bull Connerism, dey now stand befuddled an' silenced 'bfoe they greatest new adversary—class.


Race still matters, but largely da problems o' negroid peeps taday iz da problems o' poor peeps. In his last days, Martin Luther King turned his attention ta class, uh focus Cosby'sbrethren airbrushed away. They could march on Washington every 10 years without havin' ta march on they own drug-riddled corners. They ignore da ghetto or, when emboldened like Cosby, sheeit on it.


When da Coz came ta Constitution Hall last week, he wuz one up on his audience. He had nahh solutions, an' unlike his audience, he knew it. And so he fell back on what elitists do best—impose condescending lessons on ethics an' etiquette. He fell back on Fat Albert, an' uh world where poverty can be beaten through sheer force o' blithe axiom. Morality becomes da answer when ya don' gots another one. Maybe we's iz everything da racists say we's are—dumb, fat, an' cute, in uh really ugly an' childish sort o' way. But if we's could just pay attention in skoo, stop stealing, learn proper English, an' correctly apply deodorant, we'd be all right. Well, maybe not all right, but at least we's wouldn't make Cosby peep so bad.
Ya' know what I'm sayin'?


76 posted on 05/25/2004 11:56:17 AM PDT by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: Paul Atreides
One wonders why the author didn't write this article in Ebonics.

Because he likes receiving a paycheck.

77 posted on 05/25/2004 12:04:33 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
What I'm trying to say is that I agree with Cosby, but he's irrelevant now. Some blacks just aren't going to go to college when they can make millions rapping or playing sports.

I disagree. By far, most American blacks are now upper or middle class. He is immensely relevant to these parents. They see their kids being sucked back into the underclass with pressure to be 'black.'

Cosby speaks directly to those issues and to a world in which blacks who just want to be regular people are constantly assaulted by poverty pimps and democrats whose goal is to keep black americans uneducated and poor.

78 posted on 05/25/2004 12:04:58 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: dead
The comedian launched into a relentless attack on poor and working-class African Americans, criticizing them for everything from what they name their kids to how they speak.

That must have really stung someone with a name like Ta-Nehisi.

79 posted on 05/25/2004 12:07:51 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: steve8714
She(?) changed it from Syaneekwa, as not to be confused with her sister, T'aNiquah.

Thanks, I'm always confusing those two.

80 posted on 05/25/2004 12:11:47 PM PDT by Redcoat LI (You Can Trust Me , I'm Not Like The Others.....)
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