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1 posted on 06/02/2004 3:18:53 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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Forgive me, but were they not manipulating the market during the Clinton Administration?


2 posted on 06/02/2004 3:21:49 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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Wow. See-BS does it again, with guilt-by-association masquerading as journalism.

CBS is gonna have to answer for a lot after Bush gets re-elected.

3 posted on 06/02/2004 3:26:21 PM PDT by atomicpossum (I give up! Entropy, you win!)
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CBS News reporter Vince Gonzales maintained that back in 2000 "they were sure President Bush would fight any limits on sky-high energy prices."

Bush was not President in 2000 and Clinton did little to hinder his buddies at Enron.

4 posted on 06/02/2004 3:29:16 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (NEOCON NOW)
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It is just me, or does anyone else think the press is getting desperate for subjects to bash Bush with? With the same vigor with which they ignored Clinton's transgressions, they have brought up everything they could find, distort or torture into an anti-Bush piece. I think they're beginning to fear they won't be able to influence the election and seem to be going for broke.


6 posted on 06/02/2004 3:33:15 PM PDT by Spok
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So, Bush holds a legitimate free market position against price caps and he's in bed with Enron? Rather's an idiot.


7 posted on 06/02/2004 3:36:29 PM PDT by Mr. Buzzcut
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I have heard quite a bit recently about these tapes, in the hope that they are the "smoking gun" that will allow some PNW utilties to get FERC to change its mind and force the bankruptcy Judge in the Enron case to provide for a bigger share of money to move toward these utilities and allow them to reduce their Enron-related obligations to the federal bankruptcy court.

I am not sure what will happen when the dust settles, but I doubt that it will change much at FERC. Part of the problem is that it is very difficult to retroactively unwind all of the short term and power market spot sales. It is even harder to figure out who made money and who lost money. If there was a big pot of money that Enron and others had, it would be easier to come up with a solution.

As it is now, a lot of "innocent" PNW public utilities got hammered by high prices to keep the lights on in California. They are fighting that tooth and nail and want to reset the clock and get refunds.

8 posted on 06/02/2004 3:37:55 PM PDT by Robert357
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I expect any night now Dan Rather will begin his news broadcast wearing panties on his head. And insisting that the Bush Administration, with the help of Enron and Halliburton, placed them there.
10 posted on 06/02/2004 3:40:06 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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The corruption began during the Clinton Administration and came to light and ended under the Bush Administration.

I don't remember the details but if I remember correctly there was something fishy during the Clintons' administration involving Enron and India.

Didn't Lay sleep in the WH when Bill was there.

13 posted on 06/02/2004 3:53:25 PM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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If anyone other than low grade morons got their "news" from Dan Rather, this just might be.


14 posted on 06/02/2004 3:55:24 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Foreign leaders for Kerry!!!!!)
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So Dan Rather will take the blame for the ranting of all the low level CBS employees?


16 posted on 06/02/2004 4:07:47 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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Let me see if I understand this right. They committed crimes during the Clinton administration because they "knew" Bush was going to be elected. Do I have that right?


20 posted on 06/02/2004 4:34:24 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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BOYCOTT CBS IT IS A HAZARD TO AMERICAN FREEDOM>


22 posted on 06/02/2004 4:36:46 PM PDT by solo gringo (Always Ranting Always Rite)
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Dan Rather -- the anchorman who blushed and gushed before Saddam.


28 posted on 06/02/2004 4:44:56 PM PDT by Zechariah11 ("so they weighed for my hire thirty pieces of silver.")
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That's right. Enron made so much money manipulating the energy markets that they promptly went out of business.

And I also believe that John Kerry was a war hero.

36 posted on 06/02/2004 5:23:17 PM PDT by snopercod (I'm a mean motor scooter and a bad go getter.)
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Oh, what I would pay to have Dan Rather alone for just 5 minutes. In a dark alley.

/from an old Pantera song, "Five Minutes Alone"

38 posted on 06/02/2004 5:26:09 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Party Before Country" - The New Motto of the Democratic Party)
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MY EMAIL TO SEE B.S. "NEWS"

Dan Rather & the whole "decision"-making crew at CBS Evening News:

Lousy lead story tonight, again trying to dredge up the old Enron thing. Bill Clinton's administration was the one presiding when Enron was bilking investors and, allegedly, consumers. He did squat.

California since then has voted in a Republican governor...and the Ashcroft Justice Department has gone after a lot of the suspected perps in Enron. Breaks your heart, eh?

Trying to make Bush the bad guy here is foolishness. Gonzales and Rather both should know the Enron guys called and asked for special help from the Bush administration and were REFUSED. Guess that never made it into your report.

And the economic _fact_ that price caps DECREASE supply and are a _drain_ on the economy. A simple review of a very elementary book 'Basic Economics' by Dr. Thomas Sowell would provide the evidence for that statement. But, again, simple facts aren't in the agenda, are they? CBS gatekeepers would rather shade their journalism a very bright yellow.

The pathetically biased reporting from CBS is just another evidence as to why networks are trending toward a loss in market share while cable and internet sources of news are gaining. Who do you really think you're fooling? Even your older-trending demographics aren't going to buy this anti-Bush bilge forever.

40 posted on 06/02/2004 5:42:20 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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More breathless coverage of the epithet-filled Enron tapes tonight. Sure seemed like Dan wanted you to associate this "scandal" with Pres. Bush.

Tonight's lead-in was a Breathless Dan "exclusive" that Pres. Bush has obtained a private attorney in the case of the public outing of the not-so-secret agent Ms. Pflame, enabling them to dredge up that whole story again.

I watched all the alphabets tonight to see how they covered the President's fine Air Force Academy speech. NBC was the only coverage briefly using the President's own words. PBS left the event out entirely. The other two had scant one-liner coverage, spinning the speech as equating Iraq with WWII. NBC had comprehensive coverage of the launching of "Fahrenheit 9/11".

Tonight's far more important topics included Chalabi, air national guard recruitment, military "stop loss" policy, old Gen. Skarpinski shoplifting story, teen antidepressant use, and the South Dakota "pivotal election" of someone who will serve for five months. PBS added earthquake prediction, and analysis of whose campaign ads are more believable (guess).

No cable here. If it weren't for FR, I might have been tempted to believe the "news" was really news.


41 posted on 06/02/2004 5:45:17 PM PDT by ntnychik
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This will get as far as the last attempt to discredit Bush, and that went NOWHERE!!


50 posted on 06/02/2004 6:36:57 PM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004/Because we Must!!! (Bombard))
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Sounds like silly trader speak to me. I imagine if you went to any trading floor in NYC, you could get people cheering the fact that such and so company had lower sales or higher sales, or that a fire or transport strike or something was making the price of some commodity higher.

What's the smoking gun here? That traders wanted the prices to go up or down?

51 posted on 06/02/2004 6:43:29 PM PDT by Koblenz (There's usually a free market solution)
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Gee, I wonder how many stories CBS has done on Oil For Food. If they care about big time graft, corruption, screwed American taxpayers, and brutalized Iraqis....Oil For Food has it all.


53 posted on 06/02/2004 6:47:16 PM PDT by mewzilla
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