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What Cosby Should Be Talking About
Time ^ | June 3, 2004 | Christopher John Farley

Posted on 06/04/2004 8:24:41 AM PDT by mcg1969

There are still certain things some black people won’t talk about in front of some white people. American culture may be seemingly more integrated than, say, 50 years ago, but cultural walls remain. Racial issues, in multiracial company, are often circled until they are impossible to ignore and have to be discussed; blacks, when there are only other blacks around, often cut to the chase. But private black discourse, in my experience, is not focused on pinning things on skin color. The main difference between multiracial conversations and ones solely among blacks is that in private, African Americans are often more critical of themselves than outsiders would ever dare to be.

Last month, Bill Cosby broke the unwritten rule of keeping black dirty laundry in black washing machines. While at a multiracial gala dinner in Washington, D.C. commemorating the 50th Anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education decision, Cosby targeted under-educated lower-income blacks as the source of various social problems. Among his comments: “People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we’ve got these knuckleheads walking around...the lower economic people are not holding up their end of the deal. These people are not parenting.” He went on: “Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.” And he mocked the way some blacks name their children: “With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all that crap, and all of them are in jail....They are standing on the corner and they can’t speak English.” Let’s hope Fantasia Barrino, Shaquille O’Neal and Muhammad Ali never see a transcript of Cosby’s comments.

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What an incredible spin. "Keep black laundry in black washing machines." Oh, please. Am I to believe that privately, black civil rights leaders blame their own people, while publicly they excoriate The Man? No way.
1 posted on 06/04/2004 8:24:42 AM PDT by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969
Here's another gem: Without non-traditional language, we wouldn’t have Public Enemy rapping “Don’t Believe The Hype,” Diana Ross singing “Ain’t No Mountain High Enough,” or Bob Marley declaring he had “So Much Things to Say.” Without slang, we wouldn’t have the blues poems of Langston Hughes, or some of the patois-infused verse of Derek Walcott.

Of course you wouldn't, but these artists would very likely have still produced art. It would have been different, but it's incredible to suggest it would be worse just because it might actually use proper English.

2 posted on 06/04/2004 8:27:44 AM PDT by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969

Mistah Farley should title his column 'Carry Me Back To Old Virginny'.

Plantation days placemarker.


3 posted on 06/04/2004 8:32:57 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: mcg1969
How much poorer would our lives be without the sing song "Oh, you betcha!" or the lilting "Oh mygawd, fer shure!" dancing in our ears?
4 posted on 06/04/2004 8:33:05 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: mcg1969
What, they want to control what Bill Cosby is allowed to say just because he's Black? How racist!
5 posted on 06/04/2004 8:33:52 AM PDT by FormerLib (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: mcg1969

Is this Chris Farley of SNL fame?


6 posted on 06/04/2004 8:38:19 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: mcg1969

Actually, this makes me think even less of Jesse Jackson. I suppose I am expected to believe that (in private conversation) Jesse Jackson often says, "We cause the problems. It's our own damn fault. Our culture is rotten -- you know it and I know it. But, forget about that, I'm going to go extort more money from the White folks. I got some new dirt I can pin on Texaco, and all I want to say is 'Ka-Ching!'"


7 posted on 06/04/2004 8:39:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (You can see it coming like a train on a track.)
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To: mcg1969

Is this Chris Farley of SNL fame?


8 posted on 06/04/2004 8:40:35 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: mcg1969

Hearing the truth must hurt when you know you are wrong.


9 posted on 06/04/2004 8:49:28 AM PDT by b4its2late (Algore probably invented the tag-line.....)
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To: mcg1969
Yes, Cosby is right that education is important and kids should master English — but they should also be taught that vernacular black culture has worth. Certainly Zora Neale Hurston, who wrote such vernacular classics as Their Eyes Were Watching God — understood that. “Zora chose to write in dialect because she thought the language of ordinary, rural, self-educated black folk was beautiful,” Valerie Boyd, author of the Hurston biography Wrapped in Rainbows told me. “She thought this language — the language of her youth, her primary language as a storyteller — was poetic and rich and full of vivid imagery and worthy of being celebrated and immortalized in literature.”

So let's see . . . when poor Blacks use rural Southern dialect liberals love it and conservatives scream at them to get an education. When poor rural Southern whites use rural Southern dialect conservatives love it and liberal laugh at them because they don't speak proper English.

Does this sum it up?

10 posted on 06/04/2004 8:54:19 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (I'm a Noachide . . . if **everyone** doesn't hate me, I'm not doing my job! :-))
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To: Zionist Conspirator
When poor rural Southern whites use rural Southern dialect conservatives love it

I guess I've never noticed that. The other stuff you mention, I agree with.

11 posted on 06/04/2004 8:58:03 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (You can see it coming like a train on a track.)
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To: laotzu
Chris Farley from SNL died several years ago. Same year as Phil Hartman.

TS

12 posted on 06/04/2004 9:01:06 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I have No Blog to speak of)
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To: mcg1969
“People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we’ve got these knuckleheads walking around...the lower economic people are not holding up their end of the deal. These people are not parenting.” He went on: “Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.” And he mocked the way some blacks name their children: “With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all that crap, and all of them are in jail....They are standing on the corner and they can’t speak English.”

Am not black myself but I've always asserted the first half of what is excerpted here publicly to whomever. However, I place the lion's share of the blame on Leftists with their dialectic and their lower economic strata social engineering which has more or less openly manipulated black culture in the past to expedite certain socialist objectives.

13 posted on 06/04/2004 9:12:43 AM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"Does this sum it up?"

No. I don't follow you.

14 posted on 06/04/2004 9:17:42 AM PDT by subterfuge (Liberalism is, as liberalism does.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
When poor rural Southern whites use rural Southern dialect conservatives love it

Senator Foghorn Leghorn is a 'Rat. Who 'loves' that?

15 posted on 06/04/2004 9:20:32 AM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: ClearCase_guy
When poor rural Southern whites use rural Southern dialect conservatives love it
I guess I've never noticed that. The other stuff you mention, I agree with.

I read some neo-confederate boasting about how the "hillbilly" dialect of Appalachia represents the English of the Elizabethan period and the literary zenith of the language. I don't doubt it, either.

"Black" English doesn't come from Africa but from the British Isles (it conserves certain archaic British dialects). As one who grew up reading Uncle Remus and B. A. Botkin Southern folklore anthologies I must admit that (while I believe knowledge of Standard English should be taught to all) I have never considered the various venerable American dialects to be "leftwing" or in need of eradication.

Personally, I'm a big fan of Gullah.

16 posted on 06/04/2004 9:23:38 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (I'm a Noachide . . . if **everyone** doesn't hate me, I'm not doing my job! :-))
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Shakespeare as a corn likker swilling clay eating cracker?

Have to think on that one a little.

Ok. I'm done.

17 posted on 06/04/2004 9:28:52 AM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: laotzu
Is this Chris Farley of SNL fame?

Only if he is writing from the grave.
18 posted on 06/04/2004 9:29:04 AM PDT by BJClinton
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To: mcg1969
Cosby’s commentary is also strikingly similar to the words of a younger, hipper cultural critic: comedian Chris Rock. In Rock’s “Niggas vs. Black people” routine from his breakthrough 1996 “Bring the Pain” tour, Rock contrasted the values of middle class blacks with lower-income blacks who had succumbed to a kind of gangsta despair... “There's like a civil war going on with black people,” Rock announced. “There are two sides: there's black people, and there's niggas. And niggas have got to go.”

That Chris Rock routine is hysterical, and also very insightful.

19 posted on 06/04/2004 9:50:18 AM PDT by wingnutx (tanstaafl)
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To: Post Toasties
Shakespeare as a corn likker swilling clay eating cracker?

As I understand it, Appalachian really is Elizabethan English (or closer to it than our standard English of today), and the English of that era sounded more like our "hillbillies" than like contemporary English.

The same goes for "Black English." In fact, some factors (such as the use of the infinitive form of "to be" as a finite form) are common to both.

20 posted on 06/04/2004 9:52:47 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (I'm a Noachide . . . if **everyone** doesn't hate me, I'm not doing my job! :-))
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To: laotzu
[ Is this Chris Farley of SNL fame? ]

Chris Farley(SNL) is daid brotha. Daid'er than patriotism at the democrat convention. Daid'er than concern for "the companys financial health" at a Union meeting.. Daid'er than some little black babies after a mother leaves a Planned Parenthood fund raising event.
I mean daid.

21 posted on 06/04/2004 9:59:17 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: mcg1969
Why do so many black children fail in school? The dirty little secret of public education is that most schools use a method of teaching reading weighted against the success of black children.

It seems everybody but the educators know that phonics-intensive methods work best for teaching reading, yet most schools use the discredited whole-word method. Fifty years of research clearly show phonics works.

The whole-word method has a very low success rate in inner-city schools, where it is not uncommon to find 75% of the children failing in reading. African-American children start kindergarten and first grade with the odds stacked against them.

White suburban schools also suffer lowered reading scores, but they tend to have better quality remedial classes which drill the students in phonics. Also, middle class parents often seek out tutoring programs or simply buy commercial phonics programs for their kids.

What this adds up to is massive academic failure and low self esteem for black kids, who drop out, join gangs, turn to drugs, sex, and crime. A sickening and tragic scenario that all starts with the public schools' failure to teach reading. Cosby knows this and that's why he chastised black parents who weren't helping their children by buying "Hooked on Phonics."

22 posted on 06/04/2004 10:02:41 AM PDT by Liberty Wins
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The Appalaichian dialect is probably Elizabethan remnants but that's like Cockney as representative of modern English. It is, more or less. The appalaichian sounds come from the uneducated portion of Elizabethan English and was/is not the zenith of anything.


23 posted on 06/04/2004 10:58:25 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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To: mcg1969; rdb3; cyborg; Trueblackman; Poohbah; hchutch; Sabertooth; Southack; Lazamataz
but several were more horrified that he had gone public, not at the opinions themselves

Far easier to control the sheep when they don't think for themselves and work to extricate themselves from the mire they are in...

24 posted on 06/04/2004 11:02:24 AM PDT by mhking ("Enterprise" finale: Yeah, we saved Earth, but I hate Illinois Nazis...)
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To: mhking

Some people donb't like their dirty business aired in public.


25 posted on 06/04/2004 11:04:02 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: cyborg
Some people donb't like their dirty business aired in public.

Some people need their dirty laundry aired in public; perhaps that might force them to clean said dirty laundry.

26 posted on 06/04/2004 11:04:53 AM PDT by mhking ("Enterprise" finale: Yeah, we saved Earth, but I hate Illinois Nazis...)
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To: mhking

agreed


27 posted on 06/04/2004 11:06:07 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: Zionist Conspirator
There is black southern speech that does not leave out half the words and does not slur the rest and drop most tenses. It can have a beautiful sound. It lives in parts of Mississippi and Virginia.

There is white southern speech that seems to multiply syllables and is difficult to speak unpolitely. It too has a beautiful sound. It lives in Alabama and Southern Mississippi.

But there is also black southern speech that is near unintelligible as English and there is white southern speech that is the same. This speech, black or white sounds worse than uneducated. It is crude. It is vile.

And there is Boston. It's hard to tell if that speech sounds uneducated or not. I can't tell if Urdu is uneducated just by hearing it either.

28 posted on 06/04/2004 11:08:36 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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To: mcg1969
i suppose there is a time and place for slang... i find myself using certain slang with certain people... however, in our home we really try to speak properly... yesterday i gave my 3-year old son the game, "Hi Ho Cherry Oh!" his reaction was, "cool!" and i said, "choose a different word, Caleb." and he then said, "this is a wonderful game, Mommy."

last year, my 8-year old son (during a planet exhibition) said, "that freaked my heart." (something he picked up from my friend's daughter who was sitting next to him.) and i asked him, "what does that mean, Jonathan?" and he said, "it means it scared me." so i said, "then just say that." and he knew i didn't want him picking up her way of speaking... perhaps i carry things a little far, but--iaint gun stop... haha!

29 posted on 06/04/2004 11:09:52 AM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: wingnutx

Have you seen Chris Rock's new HBO special.

He's flipped 180 degrees and now blames all of black americas problems on white folks.

Just like everyone else


30 posted on 06/04/2004 11:14:13 AM PDT by Sabretooth (I'm not SabERtooth, Im SabREtooth.)
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To: mhking
"Far easier to control the sheep when they don't think for themselves and work to extricate themselves from the mire they are in..."

No, not sheep...yes, easier to control when information is manipulated/controlled.

If Blacks were mere powerless sheep, however, the power-elite wouldn't even bother with information control...they'd just tell them what to do.

But the elite are terribly frightened that Blacks will learn the truth that they have been manipulated en masse...that they will become enraged, and that Blacks will take a powerful revenge against those elites for lying to them for all these long years.

I mean, Bush didn't drag that man to his death in Texas no matter how "outraged" Sharpton wanted to pretend to be...but Bush did sign the death warrants on two of the animals who *did* do that dragging. Nor was Bush or any other Republican burning any Black churches no matter what Clinton thinks he remembered back in Arkansas...but the men who bombed and killed those 4 little Black girls at the 16th street Baptist Church in Birmingham were each and every one Democrats.

Republicans want private school choice vouchers for inner city children. Democrats are against them.

Republicans want faith based charities in the inner-cities. Democrats are against them.

At some point, we're going to find out that Blacks aren't sheep at all. They simply don't have the necessary information. Once they do, they are going to be pissed off at those who've been lying to them for all these long years.

31 posted on 06/04/2004 11:15:35 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: latina4dubya

You certainly don't carry things too far. I did that with mine. As teenagers they still picked up all the verbal drek and would use it at home from time to time and I would still do as you do. Three of them now speak well and the youngest, when someone says "what?" repeats himself in proper English, even when it's a kid with steel in his face.


32 posted on 06/04/2004 11:16:08 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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To: Southack
At some point, we're going to find out that Blacks aren't sheep at all. They simply don't have the necessary information. Once they do, they are going to be pissed off at those who've been lying to them for all these long years.

I have an anecdote along those lines - back about 1998 or so, the company I worked for hired several people for a few months for a data review project. Since welfare reform was kicking in, we hired a couple of former welfare moms, who both turned out to be good workers. Since we had a shortage of space, one of them was put into my office to work. She was pro-Clinton, and when I asked her why, she said that her neighborhood was better off than it had been in years, which is fair enough. But after three weeks of me feeding her unfiltered information about Clinton, she came to thoroughly loathe Slick.

That's why the Sharptons and Jacksons of the world are so quick to shout down dissenting voices - because their positions become untenable in the face of facts and reason.

33 posted on 06/04/2004 11:20:46 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: Liberty Wins

"The whole-word method has a very low success rate in inner-city schools, where it is not uncommon to find 75% of the children failing in reading. African-American children start kindergarten and first grade with the odds stacked against them."

Hmmm....I recall an example from back in the '60s. My little brother had missed a spelling word on a 4th grade test. As he was quite studious, he was dissapointed. It turns out he had (correctly)written the word 'flow'. The (black) teacher told my mom, "No, de woid was flow, like you puts yo feets on da flow." (The word was floor.) Phonics wouldn't help here . It's not just a black thing. Most regional dialects sound strange to outsiders, but 'ebonics' seem to be nationally similar and in many cases, intentional. I don't mean for this to sound racist if it does. This is a true story.


34 posted on 06/04/2004 11:33:09 AM PDT by bk1000
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"Personally, I'm a big fan of Gullah."

Yeah? How many of your trusted physicians, lawyers, CPAs, financial advisors, therapists (if you have one), professors, military leaders, political leaders speak Gullah? Let me guess...none. But it probably is cute in an anthropological way to cruise through the sea islands and get the locals to say something.

35 posted on 06/04/2004 11:34:16 AM PDT by wtc911 (I saw what I saw when I saw it....)
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To: Sabretooth

I haven't seen that, but it doesn't suprise me much. I think he attacks different people depending on his audience.


36 posted on 06/04/2004 11:39:50 AM PDT by wingnutx (tanstaafl)
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To: ThanhPhero
The Appalaichian dialect is probably Elizabethan remnants but that's like Cockney as representative of modern English. It is, more or less. The appalaichian sounds come from the uneducated portion of Elizabethan English and was/is not the zenith of anything.

Oops! Watch out for the neo-Confederates!

37 posted on 06/04/2004 11:57:56 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (I'm a Noachide . . . if **everyone** doesn't hate me, I'm not doing my job! :-))
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To: ThanhPhero
There is black southern speech that does not leave out half the words and does not slur the rest and drop most tenses. It can have a beautiful sound. It lives in parts of Mississippi and Virginia.

There is white southern speech that seems to multiply syllables and is difficult to speak unpolitely. It too has a beautiful sound. It lives in Alabama and Southern Mississippi.

But there is also black southern speech that is near unintelligible as English and there is white southern speech that is the same. This speech, black or white sounds worse than uneducated. It is crude. It is vile.

Woah there, Nellie. You seem to be prejudiced against poor whites from the upper South (as opposed to the Coastal Episcopalian dialect of the Deep South). Speech that includes vulgarity and obscenity is indeed crude and vile, but legitimate dialects that a people have inherited from generations cannot be characterized as such (unless they include vulgarity/proganity/obscenity). Would you have everyone in the country sound the same?

And there is Boston. It's hard to tell if that speech sounds uneducated or not. I can't tell if Urdu is uneducated just by hearing it either.

The Boston dialect makes everything sound like the "f"-word. It is very different from the beautiful (and now almost extinct) traditional rural New England accent as typified by Calvin Coolidge, "Titus Moody" (from the old Fred Allen radio show), and Percy Kilbride.

38 posted on 06/04/2004 12:04:41 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (I'm a Noachide . . . if **everyone** doesn't hate me, I'm not doing my job! :-))
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To: wtc911
"Personally, I'm a big fan of Gullah."

Yeah? How many of your trusted physicians, lawyers, CPAs, financial advisors, therapists (if you have one), professors, military leaders, political leaders speak Gullah? Let me guess...none. But it probably is cute in an anthropological way to cruise through the sea islands and get the locals to say something.

Oh, pardon me. Let's wipe out all ancient and traditional forms of speech and impose a single universal standard on everyone. Then maybe we can force one language on the world and get rid of all the other ones!

And this differs from the imposition of leftist newspeak how???

39 posted on 06/04/2004 12:08:29 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (I'm a Noachide . . . if **everyone** doesn't hate me, I'm not doing my job! :-))
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Let's keep the cute dialects intact to amuse you. Forget that once you've passed through all it does is isolate the speakers socially, educationally and financially....exactly the ebonics cost.


40 posted on 06/04/2004 12:55:13 PM PDT by wtc911 (I saw what I saw when I saw it....)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The point is this, Conspirator. Whether you like it or not (and I, frankly, do), there is a single vernacular in American professional culture, and that is English spoken with a reasonably neutral accent. It is not leftist newspeak to suggest that people must learn this language in order to be successful, whether they are Vietnamese, Russian, or Appalachian.
41 posted on 06/04/2004 1:13:10 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: wtc911
Let's keep the cute dialects intact to amuse you. Forget that once you've passed through all it does is isolate the speakers socially, educationally and financially....exactly the ebonics cost.

Who needs age-old legitimate speech patterns when everyone should sound like the Midwesterners on TV?

42 posted on 06/04/2004 1:19:30 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (I'm a Noachide . . . if **everyone** doesn't hate me, I'm not doing my job! :-))
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To: mcg1969
The point is this, Conspirator. Whether you like it or not (and I, frankly, do), there is a single vernacular in American professional culture, and that is English spoken with a reasonably neutral accent. It is not leftist newspeak to suggest that people must learn this language in order to be successful, whether they are Vietnamese, Russian, or Appalachian.

I'm not opposed to everyone knowing standard English (which is a rather recent concept, btw). I just don't want to destroy the legitimate heritage of the various dialects and accents that people have had for hundreds of years. Does this bother you?

I'd avoid folklore anthologies if I were you.

43 posted on 06/04/2004 1:22:09 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (I'm a Noachide . . . if **everyone** doesn't hate me, I'm not doing my job! :-))
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Of course it doesn't bother me, or anyone else here. You're obviously reading more than necessary into what we're saying. As long as public schools teach standard English, and as long as we create a culture that recognizes the true importance of it, I don't mind if people have a second language (whether that is in fact a dialect or a true second language or something in between); nor do I mind that students read literature written in dialect. What I object to, as did Bill Cosby, is the apathy many parents have over insuring their kids can function in the professional mainstream.


45 posted on 06/04/2004 5:42:28 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969
Of course it doesn't bother me, or anyone else here. You're obviously reading more than necessary into what we're saying. As long as public schools teach standard English, and as long as we create a culture that recognizes the true importance of it, I don't mind if people have a second language (whether that is in fact a dialect or a true second language or something in between); nor do I mind that students read literature written in dialect. What I object to, as did Bill Cosby, is the apathy many parents have over insuring their kids can function in the professional mainstream.

Then there is no disagreement among us.

46 posted on 06/05/2004 7:34:37 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (I'm a Noachide . . . if **everyone** doesn't hate me, I'm not doing my job! :-))
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I described the two extremes. I did not refer to the broad middle of southern speech which includes many distinct accents. Southern Louisiana alone has perhaps 5 distinct accents in English, not to mention at least 3 versions of French. I did refer to some of the southern speech as one finds in, say, Southport, Florida. There is not an inordinate amount of cussing but the speech is entirely mumbled and goes along with a manner that resents giving any information to anyone. If you ask a resident what the name of the main street is he will say he doesn't know and you will probably ask for a repeat to try to understand. Southport is an entirely white burglet. There is a sizeable black community over by Caryville, also Florida, that has a nearly identical mumble and attitude. I have also heard the same speech(?) from a pair of Australian youths from Sydney, not what I always thought Australian sounded like.


47 posted on 06/07/2004 6:37:27 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

It was not the educated classes that settled Appalachia.


48 posted on 06/07/2004 6:38:40 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero

I've always heard that Appalachian is Elizabethan English, but I'm not the one pushing it (it's the neo-Confederates, which is ironic considering the mountain folk's attitude towards slavery and the Confederacy). Basically, if you aren't advocating the elimination of all legitimate regionalisms then you and I have no quarrel whatsoever.


49 posted on 06/07/2004 7:28:00 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The eight words all "palaeos" fear most: HaShem shall be King over all the earth!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
if you aren't advocating the elimination of all legitimate regionalisms then you and I have no quarrel

Hardly. I love accents and languages. My own accent is echoic. I sound pretty much like whoever I am talking with. Some folks used to think I was mocking them. In my youth I picked up languages the same way and at one time or another spoke Turkish (as a 7-9 y.o. kid) Dutch, Asian French, and Vietnamese. I do English pretty well, too. I am especially fond of those particular southern accents I spoke of, the Mississippi and Alabama loveliness- black and white-, of Irish Gaelic, and Vietnamese, all of which I firmly believe to be languages invented long ago by committees of men for women to speak before there were nightingales in the world.

50 posted on 06/07/2004 9:09:57 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong la nguoi di hanh huong den La Vang)
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