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Reagan Mourned in Former 'Evil Empire'
The Moscow Times ^ | Monday, June 7, 2004. | Vladimir Isachenkov and Jim Heintz

Posted on 06/10/2004 9:29:26 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Monday, June 7, 2004. Page 1.

Reagan Mourned in Former 'Evil Empire'By Vladimir Isachenkov and Jim Heintz
The Associated Press


AP

Reagan and Gorbachev saying farewell after talks in Reykjavik, Iceland, in 1986.

He stunned the Soviet Union with his tough rhetoric, calling it an "evil empire" whose leaders gave themselves the "right to commit any crime." His famed "Star Wars" program drew the Soviets into a costly arms race they couldn't afford. His 1987 declaration to Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev at the Berlin Wall -- "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" -- was the ultimate challenge of the Cold War.

Ronald Reagan's determination to destroy communism and the Soviet Union was a hallmark of his eight-year presidency, carried out through a harsh nuclear policy toward Moscow that softened only slightly when Gorbachev came to office.

Reagan, who died Saturday at the age of 93, is vividly remembered in Russia today as the force that precipitated the Soviet collapse.

"Reagan bolstered the U.S. military might to ruin the Soviet economy, and he achieved his goal," said Gennady Gerasimov, who served as top spokesman for the Soviet Foreign Ministry during the 1980s.

Reagan's agenda toward Moscow started shortly after the start of his first term -- and marked a major departure from the mild detente of the Jimmy Carter administration.

In 1981, Reagan backed his rhetoric with a trillion dollar defense buildup. U.S.-Soviet arms control talks collapsed, and the two nations targeted intermediate-range nuclear missiles at each other across the Iron Curtain in Europe.

The deployment of the U.S. missiles in Europe rattled the Kremlin's nerves, because of the shorter time they needed to reach targets in the Soviet Union compared to intercontinental missiles deployed in the United States.

In an even bigger shock to the Kremlin, Reagan in 1983 launched an effort to build a shield against intercontinental ballistic missiles involving space-based weapons.

The Strategic Defense Initiative, or SDI, dubbed "Star Wars," dumped the previous doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction that assumed that neither side would start a nuclear war because it would not be able to avoid imminent destruction.

Even though Reagan's "Star Wars" never led to the deployment of an actual missile shield, it drew the Soviets into a costly effort to mount a response. Many analysts agree that the race drained Soviet coffers and triggered the economic difficulties that sped up the Soviet collapse in 1991.

"Reagan's SDI was a very successful blackmail," Gerasimov said in an interview. "The Soviet Union tried to keep up pace with the U.S. military buildup, but the Soviet economy couldn't endure such competition."

Gorbachev said Sunday he was distressed by Reagan's death.

"I take very hard the death of Ronald Reagan, a man whom by fate sat with me in perhaps the most difficult years at the end of the 20th century," Gorbachev told reporters at the Gorbachev Foundation, a non-governmental analytical institute that he has run since 1992.

Despite Reagan's often-forceful statements against the Soviet Union, Gorbachev said he also had a personal warmth that bolstered their relations. "In terms of human qualities, he and I had, you would say, communicativeness, and this helped us carry on normally," Gorbachev said.

"But when you talk about friendly relations in politics, it's not the friendship of schoolmates, of the Arbat," he said.

"I deem Ronald Reagan a great president, with whom the Soviet leadership was able to launch a very difficult but important dialogue," Gorbachev said earlier Sunday on Ekho Moskvy radio, Interfax reported.

Gorbachev was quoted as calling Reagan "a statesman who, despite all disagreements that existed between our countries at the time, displayed foresight and determination to meet our proposals halfway and change our relations for the better."

Gorbachev listed Reagan's accomplishments as helping to "stop the nuclear race, start scrapping nuclear weapons, and arrange normal relations between our countries."

"I do not know how other statesmen would have acted at that moment, because the situation was too difficult. Reagan, whom many considered extremely rightist, dared to make these steps, and this is his most important deed," he was quoted as saying.

Yelena Bonner, the widow of Soviet dissident Nobel Peace Prize winner Andrei Sakharov, praised Reagan for his tough course toward the Soviet Union.

"I consider Ronald Reagan one of the greatest U.S. presidents since the World War II because of his staunch resistance to communism and his efforts to defend human rights," Bonner said in a telephone interview from her home in Boston. "Reagan's policy was consistent and precise, and he had a great talent of choosing the right people for his administration." Former Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky, 61, remembered Reagan fondly for his humor and his toughness. "His phrase, 'evil empire,' became a household word in Russia," said Bukovsky, who now lives in Cambridge, England. "Russians like a straightforward person, be he enemy or friend. They despise a wishy-washy person."

Retired General Vladimir Dvorkin said that trying to field a response to Reagan's Star Wars had "certainly contributed" to the Soviet economic demise but argued it didn't play the decisive role.

"The Soviet economy was extremely inefficient and nothing could save it," said Dvorkin, a senior Soviet arms control negotiator during the 1980s.

But Bonner said her husband -- who had played a key role in designing Soviet nuclear weapons -- believed that deploying U.S. missiles in Europe was necessary to bring the Soviet rulers back to the arms control talks. In December 1987, Reagan and Gorbachev signed a treaty that for the first time eliminated the entire class of intermediate-range missiles.

"Reagan and Gorbachev helped end the Cold War," Gerasimov said.

Associated Press writer Gerald Nadler in New York contributed to this report.



TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coldwar; gorbachev; reagan; ronaldreagan; russia
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To: lonevoice

I like that picture and all it implies about both men!


21 posted on 06/10/2004 10:06:26 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: chase19
Michael Blayhost?sp

BARF!!!

22 posted on 06/10/2004 10:07:37 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: microgood
I find it amazing you can now get more objective reporting about our own President from the Moscow Times than the American press. It shows how significantly Reagan's Presidency changed the entire course of humanity.

Best comment of the day, IMHO...

Nicely done!!

23 posted on 06/10/2004 10:08:15 PM PDT by TXnMA (Now back home in God's country...)
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To: DoughtyOne

Was watching Chris Matthews this evening, and he said to one guest that Regan's popularity stopped at our borders.

So you get what I mean when this professor said Chris Mathews on his gushing - this guy was so left he was falling off the precipice.

Wonder where all the actors were to pay him tribute. Lots of foreign leaders, boy scouts, 5,000 people men, woman & children an hour - NO ACTORS - except Arnold Schwartenegger.

Very sad!


24 posted on 06/10/2004 10:10:44 PM PDT by chase19
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To: TXnMA; microgood

Yes, excellent comment!


25 posted on 06/10/2004 10:12:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Maybe what Matthews meant is beyond our borders in those other nations secure in their democracy, protected by the American superpower fist, who have been so for sufficiently long, that they now view it as something sort of like a law of physics and an entitlement, and thus feel free to be self indulgent and feckless, and to spend almost nothing on their own defense, or carrying the load of defending democracy, putting aside those dollars they spend on their military as a government job program, as opposed to something that actually can perform in battle, which would move the characterization from almost nothing, to near nothing.


26 posted on 06/10/2004 10:13:52 PM PDT by Torie
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To: dufekin; chase19; BenLurkin; TheOtherOne; JDoutrider

Unfortunately I have the exact answer here. I once read an American conservative article that has investigated this phenomenon. The author discovered that the Nobel peace prize committee is aware of the "peace through strength" and the committee said that they WILL NOT award anything to someone who has achieved peace through this means, saying that this was "incompatible with the original disarmament ideals of Mr Nobel blah blah blah...".

So sorry, award for Kissinger, but never for Reagan. I now know that the Nobel peace prize commemorates has very little usefulness in the big real world.


27 posted on 06/10/2004 10:13:56 PM PDT by NZerFromHK
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To: NZerFromHK
At one point, at least, you could respect the persons who won.

I say again:

they gave that thing to Arafat, it ain't worth shit now.

28 posted on 06/10/2004 10:17:19 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: NZerFromHK

So they only award to those that achieve "Peace thru Weakness" ?

Hmmmm>


29 posted on 06/10/2004 10:17:52 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: chase19

Come to think of it, I never saw Tommy boy out there. Perhaps I missed it. Nope, that 'liberal satan' and his 'evil Kennedy spawn' wife were the ones who showed up to pay Regan homage.

I hear you. That's okay, we don't need their kind. If they don't show up, it's no loss to me. It's just par for the course.

These folks may not show up because Nancy whould whop them up side the noggen.


30 posted on 06/10/2004 10:18:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: lonevoice
Another from the Moscow Times:

22 Russian Students Stranded in Florida ( Helped by small town )

31 posted on 06/10/2004 10:22:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: chase19

In a sense he was right. Unless you are very, very conservative in much of the non-US West that were not part of the former Soviet empire - i.e. Canada, Germany, New Zealand, Norway but not Czech Republic for instance (and not conservative enough to have fallen into the nationalist and anti-American Right), you will have sneered at Reagan's legacy.

I personally feel some American liberals feel the same but can't express their true feelings at public because they know doing so will make their political future toast - after all, they are in the United States! Foreign left-wingers (or "centrists") and the far-left Americans have no such inhibitions so they feel free to say what they truly think about Reagan.


32 posted on 06/10/2004 10:23:17 PM PDT by NZerFromHK
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yep, unfortunately this statement is right.


33 posted on 06/10/2004 10:24:49 PM PDT by NZerFromHK
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This post of mine probably sounded like I was attempting to say that I didn't need Tom McClintock's kind. In truth I was thinking of the liberal entertainment folks. Sorry for the inadvertant implication.


34 posted on 06/10/2004 10:25:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: NZerFromHK
The author discovered that the Nobel peace prize committee is aware of the "peace through strength" and the committee said that they WILL NOT award anything to someone who has achieved peace through this means, saying that this was "incompatible with the original disarmament ideals of Mr Nobel blah blah blah...".

How ironic that Nobel's goal in life was to achieve peace by creating a weapon so powerful that nobody would dare to use it.

35 posted on 06/10/2004 10:34:34 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: dufekin
I never did hear about the Nobel Peace Prize that Ronald Reagan (at least should have) won. He saved the lives of and granted freedom to hundreds of millions of people (no exaggeration). How could he have been denied?

The Nobel Peace Prize jumped the shark a long time ago.

36 posted on 06/10/2004 10:35:49 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Tailgunner Joe; doug from upland

fyi


37 posted on 06/10/2004 10:48:52 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: BenLurkin
Related item:

Ronald Reagan's Secret Anti-Soviet War

38 posted on 06/10/2004 10:52:15 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: NZerFromHK

But they take extreme care to never spout ther anti-USA views up close and personally.


39 posted on 06/10/2004 10:54:55 PM PDT by sarasmom (Sometimes, I wish liberals had beliefs, so I could desecrate them. (spok))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Russians like a straightforward person, be he enemy or friend. They despise a wishy-washy person."

Carter - Reagan

Kerry - Bush

Interesting study in contrasts.

40 posted on 06/10/2004 10:55:31 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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