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Nightclub owner ready to rally against ban (Greeley, CO Smoking Ban potential re-vote coming!)
The Greeley Tribune ^ | 6/14/04 | Jesse Fanciulli

Posted on 06/14/2004 2:53:48 PM PDT by NorCoGOP

A Texas man who owns the Cactus Canyon nightclub in Greeley is hoping voters might rethink a smoking ban that is sucking away his business.

Cactus Canyon owner Keith Lawyer is preparing for a petition drive to change Greeley's smoking ban.

Lawyer still needs to work out some of the details, but he said the general idea is to ask voters to permit smoking in places that don't allow minors, such as nightclubs and bars.

But getting that kind of question on the November ballot will take some quick work: City Clerk Betsy Holder said Lawyer will need to gather 1,428 signatures of Greeley voters within a few weeks.

The deadline is so tight because Holder is legally bound to perform a number of tasks and meet several deadlines before the smoking question is eligible for ballot certification in September, she said.

Lawyer did not speculate on when he expects to start collecting signatures but the controversial nature of Greeley's smoking ban almost guarantees he will make some instant friends as well as enemies.

Several owners of Greeley bars and restaurants that used to be smokers' hangouts say their customer traffic slowed significantly after the ban went into effect last December.

Those claims appear to be backed by internal finance department surveys, which show that sales at several businesses that used to cater to smokers has declined compared to last year, when smoking was still legal.

At least two of those formerly smoky businesses -- The Beetle Beanery and the Union Colony Brewery -- are closing down.

Lawyer is unsure whether the bar owners who are still in business will join his fight because they may already be battle-worn. Business owners have had no success in convincing the city council to alter the smoking ordinance or grant them exceptions.

"I may be the Lone Ranger on this," Lawyer said.

The proposed ballot question is one of two ways that Lawyer is fighting back. He also filed a lawsuit challenging the smoking ban in federal court. The case is still active but is moving sluggishly.

Greeley antismoking activist Frank Fronek, who helped pass the smoking ordinance, said he doubts that voters will agree to change the law they passed by a sizable majority.

"Fifty-nine percent of voters passed it," Fronek said. "And I don't know how they are going to get that many people to bounce it back." Fronek said.

If Pueblo is a case study in voter sentiment about changes to strict smoking bans, Lawyer might indeed have a tough time winning his case at the ballot box.

In the last election, voters in Pueblo rejected a ballot question that would have exempted bars from a citywide smoking ban in public places.

Smoking bans have been approved at least 17 of 19 times in Colorado city and county elections.

"The votes show these bans are widely supported by the public," said Erin Leary, Colorado advocacy director for the American Heart Association.

-- The Associated Press contributed to this report


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Go to the actual website and see the forum comments that follow this story....good reading.
1 posted on 06/14/2004 2:53:49 PM PDT by NorCoGOP
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To: NorCoGOP

If he buys a bulldozer and starts welding armor on it, watch him!


2 posted on 06/14/2004 3:04:19 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: BipolarBob

That is what the Second Amendment is all about! Protecting yourself from the TYRANNICAL government!


3 posted on 06/14/2004 3:09:52 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: NorCoGOP; SheLion; Gabz

What the hell is happening to Colorado and the free spirit of the west?

I expect smoking bans in my ridiculous state,Massachusetts,but I always figured that freedom from government would win out in the Rockies and the plains.

Guess I was wrong,but I wish this guy well in his fight.


4 posted on 06/14/2004 3:17:01 PM PDT by Mears
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To: steplock

It would appear to me that a double standard of SELLING a LEGAL product, but NOT allowing is use would be some kind of a point.

Ban smoking if you must, but PLEASE, you hypocrits, ban SELLING the product inside of your little fiefdom as well!


5 posted on 06/14/2004 3:18:13 PM PDT by Elsie (There is nothing you can't achieve if you are willing to give other people the credit...)
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To: Elsie

It's all about the tax dollars, Elsie. They're addicted to smokers' tax dollars. That's why they won't ban smoking.


6 posted on 06/14/2004 3:23:41 PM PDT by Judith Anne ("The convictions that shaped the president began to shape the times..." President G.W. Bush)
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To: Mears

Where have you been hiding pal? Texas HAS outlawed the evvillllllll smoke too! :( Hey, but it's legal to smoke POT in that gay city in the west!


7 posted on 06/14/2004 3:35:48 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Mears; *puff_list; Just another Joe; SheLion; metesky; CSM; Madame Dufarge; lockjaw02; qam1; ...

Thanks for the heads up!


8 posted on 06/14/2004 3:43:39 PM PDT by Gabz (RIP President Ronald W. Reagan 1911-2004)
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To: Elsie

It would appear to me that a double standard of SELLING a LEGAL product, but NOT allowing is use would be some kind of a point.


Just about every 7 - 11 you go in has zig-zag rolling papers and crack pipes for sell.


9 posted on 06/14/2004 3:45:38 PM PDT by sawmill trash (NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!!)
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To: Mears; *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Madame Dufarge; Gabz; MeeknMing; steve50; ...

10 posted on 06/14/2004 3:46:31 PM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: NorCoGOP
I have family that live in Denver. They smoke, and so far so good with still being able to choose a smoking section or not.

How far is Greely from Denver?

11 posted on 06/14/2004 3:48:45 PM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: NorCoGOP
"Business owners have had no success in convincing the city council to alter the smoking ordinance or grant them exceptions."

Why are the business owners begging to be granted exceptions?

Why do they not argue their rights.

Colorado Constitution

Bill of Rights

Section 28. Rights reserved not disparaged.

The enumeration in this constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny, impair or disparage others retained by the people.

The people have the "retained" right to smoke a tobacco on their private property.

12 posted on 06/14/2004 3:51:43 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: SheLion

Seeen that bar on an old Twilight Zone once. A stranger stops his car, was running a little hot and stops into the bar where it's only the old owner and his young restless daughter. Then the stranger lights up. To think that all that would be illegal, just makes my blood boil!

Best strategy is when they get to court, just light up right in the courtroom. When the bailiffs/judge make a stink, he should just say "hell judge, I'm not doing anymore than you or your colleagues do in chambers. This whole deal has gotta stop!

Unfortunately, most of the jails, like the one he would be placed in for contempt, don't allow smoking anymore.

Oh the injustice of it all!


13 posted on 06/14/2004 4:47:47 PM PDT by at bay
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To: tahiti

PEOPLE have rights...


BUSINESSES aren't people........


14 posted on 06/14/2004 7:26:45 PM PDT by Elsie (There is nothing you can't achieve if you are willing to give other people the credit...)
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To: SheLion

I'm in Denver - Greeley is up north, a bit of a trip. I'm a transplant and don't know any more than that. There have been rumblings here in Denver about smoking bans, but they haven't gotten off the ground. We live by a little enclave called Glendale - so if Denver does it and Glendale doesn't our 2 favorite eateries will be close by (in Glendale-HA).


15 posted on 06/14/2004 7:52:59 PM PDT by Annie03 (donate at www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Mears
What the hell is happening to Colorado and the free spirit of the west? Half of hollywood moved there after they screwed up California. :-}
16 posted on 06/14/2004 8:14:37 PM PDT by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: at bay

Still don't understand the concept of private property, eh?


17 posted on 06/14/2004 8:45:38 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Elsie
"PEOPLE have rights...

BUSINESSES aren't people........

Implementing your reasoning to it's logical end, the 1st Amendment does not and cannot protect a newspaper business from government regulating the content of the newspaper and the 1st Amendment doesn not and cannot protect a church business from regulating the content of the church.

Newspapers and churches aren't people, as would say.

18 posted on 06/15/2004 5:36:18 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: tahiti

You are right, my statement was a bit off, but WE (citizens) have ALLOWED Gov't to get away with SO much!

We are dying the death of a thousand paper cuts in this once great country......


19 posted on 06/15/2004 5:48:10 AM PDT by Elsie (There is nothing you can't achieve if you are willing to give other people the credit...)
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To: RoseofTexas

Texas? Texas? Say it isn't so!


20 posted on 06/15/2004 10:18:36 AM PDT by Mears
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