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2 Minorities (Hispanic and Asian)Spur Rapid U.S. Growth
NY Times ^ | June 15, 2004 | AP

Posted on 06/14/2004 9:01:34 PM PDT by FairOpinion

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To: toast

.....considering how bad we (the US) shafted them at the end of the war. We actually "owe" them.

I'll give'em a pass. If their kids are in fact "coming around" that's a good sign, they're assimilating into our culture.


61 posted on 06/15/2004 4:43:29 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Lijahsbubbe

....once again, if you actually look into the relationship between the US and the Hmong. We actually DO owe them.


62 posted on 06/15/2004 4:45:36 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Cronos
We could argue that it's not all "asians" just Hmong while the Chinese, Vietnamese, Indians etc. are hard working but that's just using tags. Let's jsut call 'em Americans.

There is a large variety of cultures in Asia, and often cultures are shaped by environmental conditions. For instance, the Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans of North Asia are considered "workaholics" by their Southeast Asian neighbors in Thailand, the Philippines, and Malaysia, and Indonesia, whom they consider very "laid back."

I think that this is as much a factor of climate as anything else. In northern regions (not only in Asia, but also in Europe and the Americas), which have four seasons, people traditionally had to work hard, economize, and prepare for the harsh winter months; whereas, in the tropical south, life was much easier-going, and people tended to worry less about the future.

Nowadays, climate is not so much a factor, but because the U.S. was settled primarily by Northern Europeans who were accustomed to harsh winter conditions, the "work" ethic has prevailed. (Contrast that with the more "laid-back" lifestyle of the Southern Europeans who settled in Latin America.)

Immigrants who can relate to the cultural values of their host country will probably have an easier time assimilating.

63 posted on 06/15/2004 5:43:59 AM PDT by wai-ming
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To: Wurlitzer

Native American might be a good choice --- has the government ever sent you your Indian money or allowed you to open a casino?


64 posted on 06/15/2004 6:30:51 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: cyborg

I can actually see affirmative action to a point for certain situations. When there were mostly white police or fire departments for mostly black neighborhoods, or postal carriers --- you would suspect racism might have been a factor and to change that you could try to find qualified blacks to hire even if when you had two equal job candidates you might lean toward the black.


65 posted on 06/15/2004 6:37:55 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
"Native American might be a good choice --- has the government ever sent you your Indian money or allowed you to open a casino?"

No, but now that you mention it, maybe I should DEMAND my rights. Nah! I'll make it on my own without a government hand or handout. What I really want is for the government to get out of the way and stop giving preferential treatment to the crybabies.

66 posted on 06/15/2004 6:50:46 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (I have the biggest organ in my town {;o))
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To: wai-ming
I think that this is as much a factor of climate as anything else. In northern regions (not only in Asia, but also in Europe and the Americas), which have four seasons, people traditionally had to work hard, economize, and prepare for the harsh winter months; whereas, in the tropical south, life was much easier-going, and people tended to worry less about the future. Nowadays, climate is not so much a factor, but because the U.S. was settled primarily by Northern Europeans who were accustomed to harsh winter conditions, the "work" ethic has prevailed. (Contrast that with the more "laid-back" lifestyle of the Southern Europeans who settled in Latin America.)

Well, that's not true. Civilisation DID start in hotter countries like Mesopotamia, the Indus valley, Egypt. And folks from Israel, India, Vietnam do tend to be the most hard working folks I know in this country.
67 posted on 06/15/2004 8:08:43 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: FairOpinion
The key is to keep all those affirmative action / EEO rules on the books. The US is the place to live, for many reasons, and we need to assimilate everyone who arrives, not ghetto-ize 'em. The US is likely to remain the place to live, for many reasons. The only groups who should be banned from immigrating are Moslems. They messed it up, they can live in it.

China's and India's population (moreso the former) are skewed toward male children due to "family planning" in those countries. In China, the limit is one child, and this has been in effect for a few decades. The estimate is 40 million surplus men almost all of them under 35 years of age. That's military age. India's lower birth rate is economic and political in origin, and future girls are identified and aborted -- except among India's 150 million Moslems, who will trend upward as a percentage of population unless something happens (like a civil war, which is likely anyway).

Neither country can sustain its high population, but it will get ugly as it comes down and no one is around to care for the aging bachelors. Generally, China's will halve every generation, leading to a 2100 AD population of something under 300 million. By that time, the US population will be over a billion (probably well over a billion, maybe two billion) and we'll still be driving, shooting guns, drinking alcohol, and burning hydrocarbons, as well as enjoying a natural climate and the Atlantic City boardwalk.
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

68 posted on 06/15/2004 9:16:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: Cronos
True, and Arabs, Israelies etc are SEmitic. I think they'd vote Republican in large majorities this time because if there is one thing that really characterises such a large variety of peoples, it is that they are family oriented and the GOP supports the family, as opposed to the rat's idea of a family.

On the other hand, they favor a big welfare state and set asides (on their behalf). They're not as conservative as you think.

69 posted on 06/15/2004 9:46:31 AM PDT by Siamese Princess
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To: Cronos
well said.

Jewish Vote In Presidential Elections



Year Candidate % of Jewish Vote
1916    
  Hughes (R) 45
  Wilson (D) 55
     
1920    
  Harding (R) 43
  Cox (D) 19
  Debs (Soc) 38
     
1924    
  Coolidge (R) 27
  Davis (D) 51
  La Folette (Progressive) 22
     
1928    
  Hoover (R) 28
  Smith (D) 72
     
1932    
  Hoover (R) 18
  Roosevelt (D) 82
     
1936    
  Landon (R) 15
  Roosevelt (D) 85
     
1940    
  Wilkie (R) 10
  Roosevelt (D) 90
     
1944    
  Dewey (R) 10
  Roosevelt (D) 90
     
1948    
  Dewey (R) 10
  Truman (D) 75
  Wallace (Progressive) 15
     
1952    
  Eisenhower (R) 36
  Stevenson (D) 64
     
1956    
  Eisenhower (R) 40
  Stevenson (D) 60
     
1960    
  Nixon (R) 18
  Kennedy (D) 82
     
1964    
  Goldwater (R) 10
  Johnson (D) 90
     
1968    
  Nixon (R) 17
  Humphrey (D) 81
  Wallace (I) 2
     
1972    
  Nixon (R) 35
  McGovern (D) 65
     
1976    
  Ford (R) 27
  Carter (D) 71
  McCarthy (I) 2
     
1980    
  Reagan (R) 39
  Carter (D) 45
  Anderson (I) 14
     
1984    
  Reagan (R) 31
  Mondale (D) 67
     
1988    
  Bush (R) 35
  Dukakis (D) 64
     
1992    
  Bush (R) 11
  Clinton (D) 80
  Perot (I) 9
     
1996    
  Dole (R) 16
  Clinton (D) 78
  Perot (I) 3
     
2000    
  Bush (R) 19
  Gore (D) 79
  Nader (G) 1


Source: L. Sandy Maisel and Ira Forman, Eds. Jews in American Politics. (Lanham: Rowman & Littlefield, 2001), p. 153.
70 posted on 06/15/2004 9:54:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

With four daughters in tow I believe I have done my part. Everyone else here needs to get down to business.


71 posted on 06/15/2004 9:56:40 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: FairOpinion
They should open up immigration to white people too, before we become a minority.

There are many people living in the Baltic states, Belarus, Ukraine, Chech Republic, etc who would make fine Americans.

72 posted on 06/15/2004 10:01:52 AM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: wai-ming
Try getting into college with a 4.0 GPA and an Asian last name.

Several years back I heard an interview from an admissions director at Stanford. He stated that if not for quotas (my word, not his) the entire freshman class would be Asian.

73 posted on 06/15/2004 10:08:12 AM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: FairOpinion
They should open up immigration to white people too, before we become a minority.

Due to the immigration bill of 1962, immigration in any future year is based on the races of the immigrants of the previous year. Asians and hispanics have "gamed" the system by having large families of "cousins" back in the homeland and these people are given priority. Recently, Kennedy, who sponsored the '62 bill had congress pass a special quota for the folk in Ireland, without which they would have faced a logjam due to the way the bill works. Changing the law would be a good idea, except that congress does not want to re-address the issue, because the people are to a great extant dissappointed with the state of immigration.

BTW, the "explosive" growth in population has had one desired effect, social security will not go bankrupt as early as previously thought. This is one of the reasons congress does not want to change things, it is getting them out of some fiscal trouble, plus the democrats think they are getting more voters, and republicans think they are getting more low income workers for industry.

74 posted on 06/15/2004 10:17:48 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: cyborg

Here's my take. Asians are not identified as a disinfranchised minority, however, for the most part asian immigrants come from some of the worst places on earth. America to them is to what it was of the Irish, Italians and eastern europeans of a a century ago. they see America as a place where you come to work hard and succeed - and you WILL succeed if you WORK HARD.

Middle class white America has been beaten down by liberal-inflicted guilt and a blue-collar philosophy of "I'm not worth it". Asians and Indians are free of both these things so they achieve without stopping.

It has little to do with your race and has everything to do with your attitude.


75 posted on 06/15/2004 10:18:59 AM PDT by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: Freebird Forever; FairOpinion
fairopinion: They should open up immigration to white people too, before we become a minority.

Freebird: There are many people living in the Baltic states, Belarus, Ukraine, Chech Republic, etc who would make fine Americans.

Sure, and while we're at it, let's make the country über Aryan -- let's get whole sale immigration from IRan -- the land of the Aryans.
76 posted on 06/15/2004 11:56:35 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Conservomax
Asians and Indians ? India's not part of Asia? Actually that would make sense as to club a Caucasian nation with predominantly Mongoloid nations or Semitic nations is incorrect. India and Iran are the eastern most (and original) branches of the Indo-European/white peoples.
77 posted on 06/15/2004 12:03:03 PM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Cronos
let's get whole sale immigration from Iran

They'd probably be better off cleaning up the islamic mess in their own country. With the mineral resources that Iran currently possesses & a budding democracy next door, the potential exists for several economic powerhouses to grow side by side.

78 posted on 06/15/2004 12:52:10 PM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: Cronos

Asians is now the pc euphemism for Orientals.

Consider Asians - Japanese, a Russian(either Caucasian or Siberian) in Vladivostok, Cambodians, Iranians, Chinese, Thai, Indonesians, Nepalese. Heck Even Iraqis could be Asians.

PC'ism leads to such paradoxes.


79 posted on 06/15/2004 12:56:30 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Freebird Forever

Well, I was answering the point of getting more whites to migrate to the US. Seems like we should ask the super whites -- the Iranis -- to come.


80 posted on 06/15/2004 12:58:32 PM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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