Click it or Ticket

None | 06/26/04 | self

[pageonetoo]

I am trying to figure out how to get a national petition started, to overturn the "Click it or Ticket" laws and its erosion, further, of individual rights.

I am curious how many folk consider The "Click it"campaign to be good, and whether it come through legislation, or did it come about by beaurocratic decree?

(From the NHTA site:

What Impact Have Primary Safety Belt Laws Had?

Primary safety belt laws – laws that allow police officers to pull over a driver and issue a safety belt citation without first observing another offense – have had an enormous effect on belt use. Belt use rates in States with primary laws are on average 11 percentage points higher than those with only secondary laws – laws that require officers to first observe another driving offense before being able to issue a belt citation.

Better illustrated, of the States and territories that achieved 80 percent or better safety belt use this past spring, 17 were primary law States. In contrast, the State with the lowest belt use in the country – New Hampshire with a use rate at roughly 50 percent – has no adult safety belt law at all.)

and what is New Hampshires license plate say? (Live Free or Die)

[pageonetoo]

I am sick of the camel's nose! This "law" is solely designed to give LE an opportunity to stop you and request a search of your vehicle, regardless of any real law having been broken (or even bruised)! Why do they get away with all of these erosions? For the chil'run? Regardless what they state, I believe the real reason for seat belts is not to save your life, anyways, but was put into use to save the insurance companies some money (I'm sorry, but we cannot pay your claim, you were not wearing your seat belt)! The fact that they do offer some protection is just a side benefit...

[Sgt_Schultze]

It's a great revenue stream. And soon, your insurance company will surcharge you for failing to wear safety belts.

[South40]

Meeeowwww...

[pageonetoo]

Meeeowwww...

Arfffff... did you get lost, or something...?

[The Mayor]

I Love NY Laws </ sarcasm>

we have them all....

[Mulder]

It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with revenue and acclimating the American sheeple to living in a police state.

I wonder if the cops write themselves tickets every time they aren't wearing a seatbelt?

[South40]

Arfffff... did you get lost, or something...?

lol! I did. That post was meant for another thread. ;-)

[pageonetoo]

I wonder if the cops write themselves tickets every time they aren't wearing a seatbelt?

Yeah, right after the one for speeding!

[Keith in Iowa]

Hell, while we're getting rid of all the seatbelt laws, let's get rid of the ones for licensing drivers, and licensing vehicles? What business is it of the government if I own a car, or know how to drive? And, while we're at it, let's get rid of those stupid laws that say I can't get all tanked up on booze and go cruisin' - it's nobody's business but mine...

You have no God-given, inalienable right to drive. If you want to, you have to deal with the restrictions provided by the state, or don't drive.

[ImaGraftedBranch]

It would not be bad if their argument were that the roads are not private property, but public property -- or that should you get in an accident without seatbelts and splatter yourself all over the road, the taxpayers pay to have it cleaned up, I could listen to that argument.

In the mean-time, buy some land and drive on it without your seatbelt to get a quick fix.

[pageonetoo]

I love the voices of sanity (sarcasm off)..

[RunningJoke]

"Long before liberty was imperiled by dictatorships, faith in liberty was being gradually weakened in people's consciences. Long before dictators destroyed the sanctuaries and profaned the altars of liberty, God was gradually losing His faithful followers. Certainly, the idea of democracy was no longer questioned by anyone, the future democracy appeared secure in the world, and the man of 1900, for example, regarded it as inseparable from the idea of inevitable and indefinite progress. He was grossly mistaken, however, about the meaning of the word "democracy." Democracy means liberty much less than it means equality; democracy is infinitely more egalitarian than libertarian. Every victory for equality seemed to the man of 1900 a victory for liberty. He was not aware of the fact that it was first and foremost a victory for the state. From every victory for equality, each citizen could derive some advantages and personal satisfaction, but the real profit went only to the state. To reduce everything to one common denominator makes dictatorships' problems enormously easier to solve. Totalitarian regimes are the most egalitarian of all: total equality in total slavery!"

[ozzymandus]

Follow the money. That's the only reason for it.

[DuncanWaring]

Seatbelt laws only protect you from yourself. Not a valid function of government.

Driver's License laws, DUI laws, etc protect other people from you. Valid function of government.

Bad analogies. You lose. Pick up your lovely parting gift at the door.

[BluSky]

Excuse for search and seizure perhaps but, my take on it is this is just another 'revenue' producer for the city/county. (just as is the 'double fines in construction zones' program)

Granted, it saves lives by wearing the seat belt, but, the voracity and National advocacy that this program has is remarkable. Obviously the NHTA has made this a top down priority.

Driving throughout Colorado, New Mexico and even in a small rural town Kansas, this is a high priority with state patrol and city police.

The emphasis placed on this program (or is it a project?) is remarkable. Too bad emphasis to this same degree doesn't occur in other areas of law enforcement: illegal immigrants, DWI, stolen cars, drugs, left-lane 'slow' drivers to name a few.

[pageonetoo]

I have land, and do drive on it. That is irrelevant. I guess there are a lot of supporters of intrusive gum't...

Hell, I even wear my seatbelt, but that isn't the point either!

I guess education is indeed lacking, about the freedoms guaranteed by our founders. Maybe I just read them wrong...

Of course, the founders didn't need seat belts on their horses... or did they?

[Lester Moore]

Since our safety seems to be their concern, lets remove their stated justification for their exercise of control of others by taking action. If we all drove 1/2 the stated speed limit, all the time, everywhere, we make ourselves safer, conserve gas and reduce the danger to our 'protectors'. 20mph = 10 in practice, 40mph = 20, 65mph = 35 or the posted minimum. Give yourself time for the trip & gooooooo slooooow, eeeespeeeeciiiiiiaaaaaaalllly duuuuuriiiiinnnnnng ruuuuuuusssssssh hooooooouuuuuurrrrr. For the safety of all concerned, of course.

How about some bumper stickers "Freepin' Slow for your safety"

[bluefish]

You have no God-given, inalienable right to drive.

You have no God-given, inalienable right to eat mashed potatos. You have no God-give, inalienable right to watch a sunset. You have no God-given, inalienable right to do much of anything.

Your argument is rather lame. Comparing drunk driving lawas to seatbelt laws is rather silly, don't you think?

[RunningJoke]

Follow the power.

"Whoever originated the cliche that money is the root of all evil knew hardly anything about the nature of evil and very little about human beings. The monstrous evils of the twentieth century have shown us that the greediest money grubbers are gentle doves compared with the money-hating wolves like Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler, who in less than three decades killed or maimed nearly a hundred million men, women, and children and brought untold suffering to a large portion of mankind."

[Keith in Iowa]

>>Bad analogies. You lose. Pick up your lovely parting gift at the door.


I think the VP's words to Leaky apply here...

You loose. Countless idiots have made some sort of constitutional argument against seat belt laws, and they've all lost. Get over it. Wear your seatbelt, and don't whine to me if you get ticketed for not doing so.