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Loftus: Berger took docs revealing U.S. hired Arab Nazis to terrorize Serbs
WABC radio (New York) | July 20, 2004 | self

Posted on 07/20/2004 8:20:20 PM PDT by shhrubbery!

Heard on the John Batchelor radio program tonight: John Loftus claims that documents removed from the National Archives by Sandy Berger contain information about the Clinton administration's hiring members of the Arab Brotherhood (?), an organization with Nazi and Al Qaeda connections, to terrorize Serbs during Clinton's war in the Balkans.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: albania; arabbrotherhood; balkans; bjclinton; campaignfinance; kosovo; loftus; nazis; sandyberger; serbia; soxgate
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Many of you are rightfully dubious of Loftus's information. Certainly Loftus has been wrong many times. (He is also a proud Democrat and friend of Joe Wilson.) I am posting this only because (a) it seemed newsworthy and (b) I couldn't find it posted anywhere else on FR.

Anyone else who heard the Loftus segment on the John Batchelor show tonight, please add details I missed and correct anything I might have gotten wrong.

1 posted on 07/20/2004 8:20:22 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: Destro; dirtboy

Thought you might be interested in this.


2 posted on 07/20/2004 8:23:47 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: shhrubbery!
Thanks. I listen to WABC many nights via the web but tonight the webcast is down. I had to turn off the webcast over the wilson lovefest last night but at least wilson had to reduce his story to that he didn't know if he wife recommended him. Ok, how likely it is that he didn't know? but he's backing down.

Laura Ingraham has the perfect question for the burglar...Boxers or "Briefs".

3 posted on 07/20/2004 8:25:33 PM PDT by byteback
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To: shhrubbery!
Loftus (He is also a proud Democrat and friend of Joe Wilson.)

Really? He has been critical of Kerry many many times, and is very supportive of Bush's War on Terror.

4 posted on 07/20/2004 8:29:07 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: shhrubbery!

Could it have been "Muslim" Brotherhood you heard?


5 posted on 07/20/2004 8:29:21 PM PDT by Rabid Dog (Join your FreeRepublic Chapter and make a difference!)
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To: shhrubbery!

Glad to see your disclaimers. I think Loftus is an absolute loon. I don't think I've ever heard him say anything that proved correct...but then again, I usually ignore most of what he says.


6 posted on 07/20/2004 8:31:42 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: shhrubbery!
A lot of us are wondering just what it was that Burglar shredded. It certainly wasn't docs on lax port security.

Boxers or briefs? Neither--Depends'll hold a pretty good load (er, so I've been told...;^)

7 posted on 07/20/2004 8:32:06 PM PDT by randog
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To: byteback

Yes, it was comical (and pathetic) the way Batchelor and Loftus tried to give Wilson a chance to rehabilitate himself. It didn't work, of course, so they're going to give Wilson another doomed go-round, I think tomorrow.


8 posted on 07/20/2004 8:33:08 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: shhrubbery!

There were stories in the leadup to clinton's war against Yugoslavia that give this theory some plausibility. There was an embargo against weapons going into Serbia, but clinton was said to have deliberately turned his back on a stream of Arab terrorists who entered the country with tons of weapons.

That was the story, but it's certainly possible that he did more than just close his eyes to this.


9 posted on 07/20/2004 8:33:27 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Rabid Dog
Could it have been "Muslim" Brotherhood you heard?

Yes, I think you're right. Thanks for the correction.

10 posted on 07/20/2004 8:34:15 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: montag813
Really? He has been critical of Kerry many many times, and is very supportive of Bush's War on Terror.

Don't let him fool you; he proudly proclaims his RAT affiliation on the Batchelor show and elswhere.

11 posted on 07/20/2004 8:34:18 PM PDT by Salvey
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To: shhrubbery!
Yes, it was comical (and pathetic) the way Batchelor and Loftus tried to give Wilson a chance to rehabilitate himself

Yep, you'll recall that it was Joe this and Joe that.

12 posted on 07/20/2004 8:35:39 PM PDT by Salvey
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To: Cicero
There was an embargo against weapons going into Serbia, but clinton was said to have deliberately turned his back on a stream of Arab terrorists who entered the country with tons of weapons.

Yes, I remember that.

That was the story, but it's certainly possible that he did more than just close his eyes to this.

If what Loftus says is true, our taxpayer dollars were going to Al Qaeda members for the purpose of killing Serbs.

13 posted on 07/20/2004 8:36:10 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: byteback

I like Laura, in fact, i'm getting ready for the replay after Gallagher here.


14 posted on 07/20/2004 8:38:39 PM PDT by hardcoreinlove
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To: montag813
Really? He has been critical of Kerry many many times, and is very supportive of Bush's War on Terror.

That's why it's so incongruous that Loftus is a big Dem and friend of Joe Wilson -- he's proudly proclaimed both many times.

Actually I haven't heard Loftus criticize Kerry, but I don't listen every night and might have missed it. But you are correct that he's been supportive of Bush in the war on terrorists.

15 posted on 07/20/2004 8:40:54 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: Salvey
Don't let him fool you; he proudly proclaims his RAT affiliation on the Batchelor show and elswhere.

That may be, but if this allegation is true it borders on the criminal, and certainly implicates Clinton in a direct alliance with Al Queda.

16 posted on 07/20/2004 8:40:57 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: shhrubbery!

Very strange..my webcast on WABC radio's website is having an error and I can't hear it. Hillary's people at work?


17 posted on 07/20/2004 8:42:11 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: montag813

I have never before had this RealPlayer error...anyone else?


18 posted on 07/20/2004 8:42:55 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: Rabid Dog

correct, that was the term. but that's essentially a reference to the historical roots of what we now know of as AQ.

I heard the show, he was careful to use the word MAY - basically the documents that were "lost" MAY show the US hired AQ during the Balkans war.

there will be no way to prove or disprove this.


19 posted on 07/20/2004 8:44:58 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: shhrubbery!

It is my understanding that the Muslim Brotherhood is an Islamic fundamentalism organization that does major recruiting at university campuses in the U.S. They are very active in the M.E.


20 posted on 07/20/2004 8:45:58 PM PDT by Rabid Dog (Join your FreeRepublic Chapter and make a difference!)
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To: shhrubbery!

indeed, Loftus is a Dem.

And yes, he claims that Wilson simply "made a mistake" regarding the information from Niger.

But I will say this, Loftus has said from day one that the Niger story was true, and that the forged documents were part of a disinformation campaign (Loftus blames the French for planting it) to discredit what was otherwise a true story - Iraq tried to buy uranium from Niger.

He gives Wilson a pass regarding purposeful misuse of the false information - I don't buy that of course, but otherwise, he was correct on this Niger story from the very start.


21 posted on 07/20/2004 8:48:39 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Rabid Dog

The MB were involved in everything from the overthrow of the Egyptian monarchy to the murder of Sadat. If true, it's the dumbest thing Clinton ever did--and that is hard to admit.


22 posted on 07/20/2004 8:49:16 PM PDT by lavrenti (I'm not bad, just misunderstood.)
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To: Rokke

He used to work for me. He is a total LOON..Total.


23 posted on 07/20/2004 8:49:20 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Rabid Dog; oceanview
oceanview is right that the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda are essentially the same organization -- at least that's what was said on the Batchelor program.

They also said, IIRC, that the organization was founded during WWII and helped the Nazis fight the Serbs (who were of course America's friends) at that time.

24 posted on 07/20/2004 8:49:33 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: oceanview
He gives Wilson a pass regarding purposeful misuse of the false information - I don't buy that of course, but otherwise, he was correct on this Niger story from the very start

Thanks for reminding me that Loftus was right about the Niger/yellowcake story.

However loony he may be, Loftus is right, just often enough, to make me sit up and listen occasionally. This is one of those occasions.

25 posted on 07/20/2004 8:53:05 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: shhrubbery!

Interesting... this would be a killer take on it wouldn't it? Might explain why all of the Clintoonistas have been hitting the airways saying " all of the documents that pertained to 9/11 have be returned. The committee got all the documents they requested..."blah blah blah


26 posted on 07/20/2004 8:58:47 PM PDT by jnarcus
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To: shhrubbery!
Good post, you're really on your toes.

It's amazing all the ya da ya da going on about Iraq in the 90's but barely a peep of the illegal war in Yugoslavia. We're coming to find out from Milosevic's trial at the Hague, that it was all based on a pack of lies

General Clarke bombed out bigtime in his Hague appearance. Milosevic is about the present his defense and Sandy, I would suspect, will be one of many witnesses summoned. Odd that Ron Brown crashed and got killed in Yugoslavia.

Closure on what really happened in the Balkans will have to come and we must face that skunk in the woodpile very soon. Like him or not, Mr. Milosevic comes across in the vidio archives of the trial as one estute capable lawyer.

27 posted on 07/20/2004 9:05:07 PM PDT by duckln
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To: Cicero

When X42(i) tried to help people who sided with the Nazis in WWII, he disclosed that the spring of evil in him ran deep. Not a penchant or temporary aberration.


28 posted on 07/20/2004 9:08:14 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "Ich kann nicht anders." d,v,c)
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To: shhrubbery!
about the Clinton administration's hiring members of the Arab Brotherhood (?), an organization with Nazi and Al Qaeda connections, to terrorize Serbs during Clinton's war in the Balkans.

It certainly isn't hard to believe that Clinton who was terrorizing the Serbs himself by bombing them and killing them, wouldn't also hire Arabs to help terrorize them. Clintons sucked up to Arafat and other Arabs every chance they could --- and Hillary had that "muslim" money donations she said she thought was museum money.

29 posted on 07/20/2004 9:11:34 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
The key to what Berger took lies in this fact:

Berger KNEW what he went to the archives to steal!

Of all the (literally) millions of documents in the archives, including even, the multiudes upon multitudes from the Clinton administration, itself, Berger went to the archives on numerous repeated occasions to pick specific items which he (admittedly) removed & destroyed.

All this talk by the liberals about how the documents were (previously) available to the 9/11 Commission is MOOT - they didn't know what to look for! BERGER DID. He (in coordination with Clinton, I'm sure) went to the archives and was caught. The nature of his actions (as outlined on other threads) is implicit evidence of his guilt and the exceptional degree of risk & danger he was willing to face. and he alone knew what items posed such considerable danger to himself, Clinton & the DemoncRATs that he was willing to take the risks.

30 posted on 07/20/2004 9:29:58 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: xzins

Pertinent ping.


31 posted on 07/20/2004 9:35:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: byteback
I listen to WABC many nights via the web but tonight the webcast is down.

Yeah; I was bummed that I couldn't pick up Mark Levin's rants today - I'm sure he had some choice stuff on Berger.

32 posted on 07/20/2004 9:39:04 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Refuse to allow anyone who could only get a government job tell you how to run your life.)
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To: shhrubbery!; Incorrigible; Freee-dame

The damn is bursting and I am happy to say Freepers like me helped the cracks form. Burst that damn!!!


33 posted on 07/20/2004 10:02:32 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Allan

Ping for Batchelor/Loftus.


34 posted on 07/20/2004 10:22:27 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Destro


35 posted on 07/20/2004 10:41:29 PM PDT by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: Steven W.

The Balkan files - the 9/11 hijackers were ex Bosnian Muslim fighters - and this fact is probably why they got into the USA - as part of Clinton's black ops program to fight the Serbs created a backdoor into the USA via CIA/State Dept contacts? This Clinton era relationship has been exposed by Balkan Freepers who have posted articles on this over and over again. Maybe more will pay attention now.


36 posted on 07/20/2004 10:43:08 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Incorrigible; A. Pole; *balkans

A raised glass to all the Balkan Freeper vets who have fought in the cyber trenches with me. God bless you all and for your support of each other. Who else but us kept the spark of truth going till it started the fire?


37 posted on 07/20/2004 10:45:44 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: shhrubbery!

I would not be surprised by anything the Clinton's did, and I mean that. The truth about this administration would most likely send all of us into a frenzy if we ever knew it all. I only hope someday, somehow, it all comes out.


38 posted on 07/20/2004 10:49:37 PM PDT by ladyinred (What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about? Become a monthly donor and find out!!!)
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To: shhrubbery!; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ...
Heard on the John Batchelor radio program tonight: John Loftus claims that documents removed from the National Archives by Sandy Berger contain information about the Clinton administration's hiring members of the Arab Brotherhood (?), an organization with Nazi and Al Qaeda connections, to terrorize Serbs during Clinton's war in the Balkans.

Milosevic would love to use this information. But Hague circus is going to gag him on the "health" grounds. Turning off the microphone is not sufficient.

You know, Milosevic arguments are bad for judges health.

39 posted on 07/21/2004 5:57:29 AM PDT by A. Pole (Capt. Lionel Mandrake: "Condition Red, sir, yes, jolly good idea. That keeps the men on their toes.")
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To: shhrubbery!
Many of you are rightfully dubious of Loftus's information. Certainly Loftus has been wrong many times. (He is also a proud Democrat and friend of Joe Wilson.) I am posting this only because (a) it seemed newsworthy and (b) I couldn't find it posted anywhere else on FR.

It's for discussion purposes. You shouldn't have to justify that. (But I know why you did.)

40 posted on 07/21/2004 6:05:00 AM PDT by I-53 (How public, like a frog)
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To: byteback

I think the story is that he accidentally ended up with briefs in his boxers..


41 posted on 07/21/2004 6:06:47 AM PDT by IamConservative (A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thanks for the ping.

A cautionary note: beware mis/dis information


42 posted on 07/21/2004 6:27:28 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: A. Pole

"...Clinton administration's hiring members of the Arab Brotherhood... "

This is entirely possible and would be unsurprising. The Clinton administration looked the other way while Iranian fighters moved into Bosnia and encouraged Iranian support. At the time he was, I think, trying to use our support for Bosnia, and later Kosovo, to build bridges to our muslim enemies.

(Of course, I believe a fair number of members of the State Department and other branches of government, including the executive, have closer ties to muslim interests than could be explained just by strategic considerations).

This was very much a part of the picture in Kosovo, where we allied ourselves with the KLA, whose mafia-like dealings are legendary. If we would team up with Iranian spooks and KLA mafia, why not muslim brotherhood?


43 posted on 07/21/2004 11:32:18 AM PDT by marron
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To: montag813

Nothing makes the Clinton alliance with anything dirty impossible.

I am only hoping this can be proven out. At least it is interesting to speculate what could have persuaded him to take such a risk.


44 posted on 07/21/2004 11:59:07 AM PDT by Spirited
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To: Honorary Serb

bump


45 posted on 07/21/2004 8:25:21 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: joan; Wraith; DTA; FormerLib; getoffmylawn; F-117A; Nennsy; Seselj; SKS Snajperi; Tropoljac; ...

fyi


46 posted on 07/22/2004 11:27:51 AM PDT by CPC (HHC OJF the Pocket - Banja Luka--Brcko AO)
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To: Destro; ma bell

As the truth keeps leaking out, I think Ronly Bonly bin Laden is probably hoping that he remains permanently banned.

His "Srebrenica! Squawk!" nonsense won't play well in the face of facts and truth.

Hey BJ, you readin' this, chump?


47 posted on 07/22/2004 11:53:47 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

I wasn't aware until just now that he'd been banned... how'd it happen?


48 posted on 07/22/2004 12:04:57 PM PDT by Serb5150 (God Bless Ronald Reagan.)
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To: Serb5150
It's hard to say exactly, since he was posting the same sort of lies, hatred, and insults that he'd always vomited forth.

It may have been that more and more FReepers were coming around to realizing that we should have been on the side of the Serbs all along. He was posting his garbage attacking more and more of them until he reached some sort of critical mass and he was finally recognized as the hate-spewing embarrassment to Free Republic that he'd always been.
49 posted on 07/22/2004 12:10:23 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: marron; FormerLib; A. Pole

Do people realize that the Muslim Brotherhood is one of the founding institutions of al-Qaeda? They are the ones that offed Sadat and their leader the Doctor jointly created al-Qaeda along with Bin Ladin. Glad to see this speculation go beyond FreeRepublic.


50 posted on 07/22/2004 12:19:55 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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