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1 posted on 08/17/2004 8:38:32 AM PDT by itssoamusing
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http://www.pbs.org/weta/dictator/


2 posted on 08/17/2004 8:50:29 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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I am trying to still figure out why the Democrats supported that war but not Iraq. Bosnia did not have UN support and did not pose any threat to the US, which is the arguement they use in calling the Iraq War unjust.


3 posted on 08/17/2004 8:50:46 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: itssoamusing

There is a decent summary in Huntington's "Clash".


4 posted on 08/17/2004 8:52:18 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: itssoamusing; MadIvan
I'm finding it hard to distinguish who was right and who was wrong.

Oh boy, you picked a really thorny subject. If you'd been here when our planes were bombing over there you'd have seen some nasty arguments. Some, like MadIvan, held that it was a just war. I'd say that the majority thought that it was Clinton's war. And no one can argue that it didn't really get solved, the place is still a mess.

Mad, I've always liked and respected you, even when I disagree. I don't want to re-fight the Balkan War debates, I'm pinging you only to ask a short answer of what you think. And let's not get in any fights, or I'll never forgive myself for pinging you.

5 posted on 08/17/2004 8:53:28 AM PDT by xJones
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The impression I get from what I read is that Milosovic was killing Muslims and also that the Muslims were raping and beheading people etc.

I think the above sums it up quite adequately.

7 posted on 08/17/2004 8:59:10 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Leftists don't acknowledge that Reagan won the cold war because they rooted for the other side.)
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The principals, Bosnian and Albanian, were gangs of thugs organized as armies. Or what appeared to be legitimate armies. In the end, both sides were criminal gangs. The Clinton administration thought it could unearth the "Good Guy's" and be in high international regard. It didn't happen that way. Imagine the police taking sides in a gang fight. In the end, they must leave or arrest everybody. Including themselves.

I see that you are under the mistaken impression that their are really smart people in the Department of State and the Pentagon. They're not smart, they have merely hidden their stupidity until it is proven by a situation such as Bosnia.

8 posted on 08/17/2004 9:11:44 AM PDT by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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Go to these websites for answers...

www.danielpipes.org and www.jihadwatch.org


9 posted on 08/17/2004 9:16:00 AM PDT by milford421
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Good luck. My wife is Serbian, her father from Bosnia-Herzegovina. We were married in my church, an Albanian Orthodox parish under the Greek Archdiocese, during the war! I thought I would try to get a handle on the situation in the Balkans and I found a lot of sources, all hopelessly biased either pro- or con-Yugoslavia. It's a complex situation, and there's a complex mixture of history, myth, and legend that sways the story whoever is telling it. The best source I found for a overall view of Yugoslavia's history, and why it turned out the way it did, is Rebecca West's "Black Lamb and Gray Falcon" written around 1938. It's pre-WW2, pre-Tito, but it shows that some of the seeds of Yugoslavia's destruction were planted practically from the beginning. What caused those seeds to germinate and grow, as far as I can tell, was Tito's shoring up his own regime by playing various ethnic groups against each other, which created a kind of order, but an order that began to unravel after Tito's death.


13 posted on 08/17/2004 9:24:28 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Alan Keyes 2004)
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To: itssoamusing
If you want to learn something, you're going to have to put some effort into it.

Try Silber and Little's Yugoslavia: Death of a Nation. You won't understand Bosnia without the context of the rest of Yugoslavia.

14 posted on 08/17/2004 9:25:35 AM PDT by Hoplite
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Let's keep this simple.

Clinton bombed the wrong side.

15 posted on 08/17/2004 9:27:40 AM PDT by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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In the pre-9/11 era, the Serbs dealt with their jihadist problem by going to war with the jihadists and tried to force them out. They decided that "terrorist czars" and "patriot acts" just wouldn't cut it for their situation which was much more desperate than the current US situation.

People like Bob Dole and Joe Lieberman wanted to give weapons to the jihadies to improve their chances of wiping out the Serbs. Other senators, one in particular, argued that this only prolongs the fighting and suggested that the US had a duty to humanity to bomb the Christian Serbs to soften them up for bin Laden's ground troops to go in for the genocidal kill and establish an Islamic foothold in Europe.
22 posted on 08/17/2004 10:03:08 AM PDT by Jim_Curtis (Liberals lie at the premise, accept their premise and you can only lose the argument.)
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To: itssoamusing

Are you asking specifically about Bosnia and not about Croatia or Kosovo?


28 posted on 08/17/2004 10:40:16 AM PDT by Diocletian
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A fairly good book (in my opinion) is Kate Hudson's; "Breaking the South Slav Dream: The Rise and Fall of Yugoslavia."

You really need to go back as far the beginning of the 20 century to understand the dynamics of the Balkan conflicts between 1989-1999. Essentially, there are four conflicts to consider: Slovenia; Croatia; Bosnia-Herzegovina; and Kosovo.


31 posted on 08/17/2004 12:43:24 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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Yugoslavia means roughly 'land of the south slavs'. Under the Communist Tito the country was organized along federal lines with 6 republics (Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Macedonia). However, the decision to give Bosnia-Hercegovian republic status did not sit well with either Croats or Serbs, both of whom had at one time or another administered the territory. To complicate things further B-H was the scene of the Croat fascist sponsored genocide against Serbs (1941-45) and was also the main battleground for the the 3-way civil war between Croat Ustasha, Serb Chetniks and the Communist Partisans (most of whom incidently were Bosnian Serbs).

Sometime during the 50's and 60's the Slavic Muslims of B-H began to develop a national identity based primarily on their religious heritage. Originally there were 5 founding nations (peoples) Serbs, Slovenes, Croats, Montenegrens and Macedonians. The 1963 Constitution recognized 'Muslim' as a people. That is as a Slavic people, since Albanian muslims were not granted the same status, always a sore point for them.

The issue of identity was one of the primary causes of the Yugoslav civil wars. The various nationalities reaserted themselves strongly once the bonds of communism came undone. Milosevic gets most of the blame for starting this trend, but it was probably inevitable anyway. Tudjman should certainly share the blame. During the Slovenian war, a friend of mine remarked with a mixture of disappointment and admiration, that the Slovenes were behaving like Serbs. What they were doing was asserting their national identity. The Bosnian Muslims did the same but with disasterous results. The Albanians were much more successful in that they convinced the world that the disaster of the Bosnian war would be repeated if the nobody intervened.

34 posted on 08/17/2004 1:49:57 PM PDT by moni kerr (Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way)
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