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1 posted on 08/20/2004 9:10:10 AM PDT by blam
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GGG Ping.


2 posted on 08/20/2004 9:11:54 AM PDT by blam
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I wonder how you figure out the name of a 15000 year old town. Does it have "Welcome to Arghilas pop. 1043" on the road into town?


3 posted on 08/20/2004 9:12:48 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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Wow!

This is huge news. That level of development, at a time when conventional wisdom says even basic agriculture was rare/non-existent, turns everything we "know" about ancient man upside down.
4 posted on 08/20/2004 9:15:41 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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"The latest glaciation ended only 10,000 years ago."

Above from a website on glaciation. Ye Gods---a TOWN from before the end of the last ice age!!!! I wonder what they thought about the "global warming" of the day.

8 posted on 08/20/2004 9:26:37 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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The scientists haven't described the location of the holiest structure on the holiest street in the holiest city yet. As soon as the local terrorists establish a base there they will have it located. Or at least it will be established as soon as the media find out where the terrorists are making their stand.


9 posted on 08/20/2004 9:27:17 AM PDT by FreePaul
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Out on the coast is a prehistoric seaport dock. It was already old when civilization began in Mesopotamia.


16 posted on 08/20/2004 9:55:07 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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The more we look, the older we get.

Great find. WoW! Wonder what else is hidden under the deserts of the world, I've always thought the Gobi desert was a prime candidate for hidden cities. Sahara makes sense, if it was wetter and maybe even, if some of the new researchers claim, this was contemporaneous with ancient, ancient Egypt.


17 posted on 08/20/2004 10:01:12 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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They were Berbers? I'm stuned!


18 posted on 08/20/2004 10:03:37 AM PDT by bk1000 ("We will take things away from you for the common good.": -HRC)
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15,000 years old??? A town??
I could be wrong but isn't it hard to have a town without agriculture?
The first farms discovered so far have been dated to around 9000 yrs old.
This isn't sounding right.


20 posted on 08/20/2004 10:28:55 AM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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Lost City of Atlantis Found
- Underneath Sahara Desert!

Nov 26 '03


THE LOST City of Atlantis is not deep beneath the ocean -- the ancient metropolis is buried under the sands of the Sahara Desert!

Archaeologist Dr. Carla Sage points out that according to ancient accounts, the Mycenaean, Cretan and Egyptian civilizations all traded with Atlantis -- which would have been unlikely if it lay in the North Atlantic as many believe.

"Atlantis was clearly within easy trading distance of Troy and the other city states of the Mediterranean," she says. "I believe Atlantis was the capital of a vast North African empire with ports on the Gulf of Sidra.

"Atlantis was destroyed, not by earthquake, floods or volcanoes, but by the steady march of desert sands that smothered the civilization.

"The empire did not sink into the sea as is commonly believed -- it was swallowed by the dunes."

While the theory flies in the face of traditional views of Atlantis, Dr. Sage points to tantalizing evidence that supports the Sahara model.

Nomadic desert Bedouins, especially after sandstorms, often see marble columns sticking up out of dunes, notably near the Ahaggar Mountains of southern Algeria, the British expert reveals.

Even more surprising, scientists have discovered that within comparatively recent times in geological terms, the Sahara region enjoyed a temperate climate that would have made it an ideal site for human civilization.

"Eleven thousand to 12,000 years ago, when the ancient Greeks say Atlantis flourished, the Sahara was lush, fertile land," Dr. Sage observes.

"Artwork etched in Saharan rocks at that time depicts giraffes roaming freely. Archaeologists have also found pictograms of domesticated cattle, horse-drawn chariots, as well as large caravans -- confirming that trade played an important role in the region."

But the alarmingly rapid transformation of the region from paradise to dry desert would have wiped out all agriculture and killed off livestock.

"More significantly, as sand encroached on the empire, clogging caravan wheels, it made travel nearly impossible -- which would have put an end to an empire based on trade," Dr. Sage says.

"It was not until centuries later, around 100 B.C., that people began to use camels for transportation in the region -- an innovation that came too late for Atlantis, long since buried and forgotten under the dunes."

A few diehards continue to believe that Atlantis was literally a continent in the midst of the Atlantic Ocean.

But most modern experts agree that theory was blown out of the water in 1912 when scientist Alfred Wegener demonstrated that the known continents once fit neatly together like a jigsaw puzzle and have drifted apart over the eons.

Although Plato, drawing upon earlier accounts, wrote of a watery end to the great Atlantean civilization, Dr. Sage believes that the ancient Greek philosopher misinterpreted an Egyptian word meaning "movement of water."

"It was not water deluging Atlantis, but the departure of water from the region, that caused the calamity," she says.

Next spring, the expert hopes to lead an international expedition, including archaeologists from the United States, Britain, France, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, that will begin combing the 3.5 million-square-mile desert using high-tech equipment in search of traces of the lost empire.

"I am convinced that buried beneath that vast, arid no-man's-land we will find Atlantis," Dr. Sage declares.





21 posted on 08/20/2004 10:30:58 AM PDT by mjp
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I'm amazed this went undiscovered for so long, because there was still an original resident there, serving as caretaker and cleaning lady:


23 posted on 08/20/2004 10:33:01 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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"It appears that scientists have come up with the 15,000-years estimate judging by the style of the engravings and the theme of the drawings," Mustapha Ouachi, a Rabat-based Berber historian, told Reuters. "

They can tell it's 15,000 years old by the style of the engravings???

If man is millions of years old as evolutionists claim, there should be a lot more ruins of civilization and signs of agriculture than what we find. It is simply not believable that man existed for millions of years with current cranial capacity and the ability to use tools, but did not discover agriculture or writing prior to the last 15,000 years.

31 posted on 08/20/2004 11:10:26 AM PDT by DannyTN
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33 posted on 08/20/2004 11:27:38 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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They got 15,000 from the 'style' and theme' of some engravings? yeah right... Might as well throw a dart at a timeline posted on the wall.


50 posted on 08/20/2004 1:26:32 PM PDT by TalonDJ (got caffeine?)
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Did they find the Sphinx plans?


71 posted on 08/20/2004 7:06:15 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Many will kill for socialism, few will die for it.)
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I love the satellite photos that show old trade routes and town you can't see on the ground.
72 posted on 08/20/2004 7:06:46 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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Did they find the Sphinx plans?


73 posted on 08/20/2004 7:06:53 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Many will kill for socialism, few will die for it.)
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Great article, although I doubt that this dating will hold. It'll probably turn out to be at most more like 5000-6000 years old.
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87 posted on 08/20/2004 11:42:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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"It appears that scientists have come up with the 15,000-years estimate judging by the style of the engravings and the theme of the drawings," Mustapha Ouachi, a Rabat-based Berber historian, told Reuters.

This explanation for how the find was dated makes no sense. You can't scientifically date objects to 15,000 years ago based on style or theme--scientists do radiocarbon dating, they aren't art historians who analyze aesthetic style or theme trends, and neither do art historians have any way of dating a style to 15,000 years ago. Of course it's Reuters reporting this, so who knows what Ouachi or the scientists he's citing actually said. . .

88 posted on 08/21/2004 12:50:56 AM PDT by Fedora
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Wasn't that area more of a grassland or savanna than a desert 15,000 years ago?


116 posted on 08/22/2004 6:11:06 PM PDT by edwin hubble
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