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Bush Heckler Sacked
Scotsman News ^ | 08/21/04

Posted on 08/21/2004 7:29:19 PM PDT by crusty codger

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To: crusty codger
So companies should be able to fire people according to their political believes?

Absolutely.

21 posted on 08/21/2004 7:38:43 PM PDT by Sloth (John Kerry: Frank Burns with Charles Winchester's pedigree.)
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To: crusty codger

Look at it this way: You own the company, and YOUR CLIENT has provided the tickets to this event, and attends along with this person.

He begins to heckle. Your client is offended and embarrassed by your employee. The article doesn't say if the company lost the client's business, but that could easily happen.

Do you keep this employee that has cost you business?


22 posted on 08/21/2004 7:38:47 PM PDT by shadowman99
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To: crusty codger

Sure.


23 posted on 08/21/2004 7:38:53 PM PDT by get'emall (Kofi Annan: Lawn Jockey on the Arab Street.)
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To: crusty codger
Graphic designer Glen Hiller, of Berkeley Springs, West Virginia said he was told that he had embarrassed and offended a client who provided tickets to the event.

That's the missing part of what you posted. The guy embarrassed his business's client. That is what got him fired.

And personally, I'd say the company was in the right for firing him for interfering with their client/business relationship with his antics.

24 posted on 08/21/2004 7:38:56 PM PDT by Prime Choice (Democrats. They want to have their cake and eat yours too.)
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To: crusty codger

IOW, you think employees have a right to insult customers?


25 posted on 08/21/2004 7:39:03 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: crusty codger

the guy will have his 15 minutes of fame in the coming week. prepare to see him on every left talk show. Bush will be blamed for this too.


26 posted on 08/21/2004 7:39:10 PM PDT by rineaux (hardcore)
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To: crusty codger

Hiring and firing freedom is essential for a growing, healthy business. It's therefore essential for capitalism. Managers should be able to fire someone just because they don't like their looks or their philosophy.

It's not wrong, but it may reflect negatively on the business and make it more difficult for them to hire in the future. That's free enterprise, isn't it?


27 posted on 08/21/2004 7:39:44 PM PDT by risk
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To: crusty codger

Sorry, but I disagree.
The heckler was given tickets to the event by a client of the advertising firm for which he worked. He was therefore obliged to comport himself appropriately.
If he had simply purchased the ticket to the event himself, I would agree - he should not be fired for speaking his peace. But the man's presence of the event was related to work.

I have a friend who owns a small company. He comped one of his employees some tickets to a hockey game - seats in a box, the whole "nine yards." Turns out the employee got too drunk, made an ass out of himself, and was an embarassment. As much as my friend didn't like to do it - he had to fire the guy because some clients were (shall we say) less than impressed with the performance of the drunk employee at the hockey game. Point is, if the employee had purchased his own ticket, got drunk and made an ass of himself he would have been doing so on his own time. But his presence at the hockey game was work-related.

Like the drunk hockey fan/employee, the Bush heckler was not on his own time at the event.

Just my .02


28 posted on 08/21/2004 7:39:59 PM PDT by citizenK
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To: bad company

"Graphic designer Glen Hiller, of Berkeley Springs, West Virginia"

In some agencies graphic designers rank about the same as receptionists. If he was a very junior person and made a spectacle of himself there's no way they wouldn't can him.

Heck of a thing to lose a client over.


29 posted on 08/21/2004 7:40:37 PM PDT by SBprone
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To: crusty codger

Welcome to the real world. I hope he wastes his money hiring a lawyer to fight a no win battle against unlawful termination.


30 posted on 08/21/2004 7:40:51 PM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
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To: crusty codger
The client provides the tickets. The guy offends the client. The client complains and the guy is fired. Hopefully this guy is too stupid to breed, so this ends with this generation.

Nothing personal, it's just business. Don't offend the clients in a service business.

31 posted on 08/21/2004 7:40:52 PM PDT by Bernard (Let Freedom Reign)
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I am staunch supporter of GWB but this is wrong. If anybody in West Virginia is a client of this Company they should not deal with them anymore!

Umm... the guy was fired because he offended a client. George Bush had nothing to do with it. If I behaved boorishly in front of one of my employers' clients and the client complained to the execs, I would almost certainly be fired too. There is nothing to see here.

32 posted on 08/21/2004 7:41:00 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: crusty codger
I strongly disagree. I don't find it inappropriate at all that he was fired for embarrassing his employer. I would hope the same thing would happen to anyone who heckled Kerry in the same manner while a guest of their employer's client.

For some reason, we seem to have lost the ability to say "no" in this country, as in "no, that's not the appropriate thing to do". I'm glad to see at least this company can say "no, you don't work here any more". It's a start back in the right direction.

33 posted on 08/21/2004 7:41:11 PM PDT by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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To: Cultural Jihad

Oh boy. . .fire his butt for sure.


34 posted on 08/21/2004 7:41:12 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Old Sarge

If they fired me for my Political stand I would not have to worry about my soon to come retirement!


35 posted on 08/21/2004 7:41:42 PM PDT by crusty codger (Support the SBV for Truth now and often!)
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To: get'emall
Apparently the wish is that everyone should be free of the consequences of their freewill actions. Henry David Thoreau he is not.
36 posted on 08/21/2004 7:41:49 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: crusty codger

If a person or company is forced to continue employing you against their will, how is that different from slavery?


37 posted on 08/21/2004 7:43:02 PM PDT by Sloth (John Kerry: Frank Burns with Charles Winchester's pedigree.)
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To: crusty codger

As a business owner I reserve the right to employ whomever I please. So does Octavo Designs.


38 posted on 08/21/2004 7:44:09 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: crusty codger

NO it's not wrong. In private industry a person can get fired for being a crass, crude, and incompetent person, something that cannot happen in public unionized areas of employment.


39 posted on 08/21/2004 7:45:07 PM PDT by eleni121 (Thank God for John Ashcroft: Four more years!)
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To: crusty codger
Apparently you've never been involved with a business that relied on clients or sales or profits or barter. This has nothing to do with politics...it has to do with business.

No business will allow its employees to insult the clients. Use your brain.

40 posted on 08/21/2004 7:45:15 PM PDT by Deb (Lee Harvey Oswald Served With Honor.)
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