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To: Destro
Dobbs doesn't seem to understand that its the total failure of the US education system that has lead to Indian outsourcing. The outsourcing in India is not for T-shirts or rubber dog doo, it's for serious knowledge labor that is no longer available from a pot-smoking MTV-watching uneducated US polulation.

As a small business owner with 12 outsourced software programming jobs in India, I am unable to find the talent and team cohesion in the US that I can in Mumbai. Plain and simple.

The NEA wants more money from all of us to continue cranking out dysfunctional idiots who can tell you all day about every social ill imposed on the world by the good people of this country, but they can't write a line of code, a business letter, or even a resume.

It's just plain sad.

Sorry Lou... you're attacking the wrong crowd. Go after the NEA if you want to do some good.
5 posted on 09/08/2004 3:45:34 PM PDT by Nice50BMG (they say the the scope adds 10 pounds.)
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To: Nice50BMG
I don't buy that (an educated Indian is thrilled to make 10K a year - educations means nothing - the most highly educated in this economy are unemployed) nor does it answer Dobb's question "India can provide our software; China can provide our toys; Sri Lanka can make our clothes; Japan make our cars. But at some point we have to ask, what will we export? At what will Americans work? And for what kind of wages? No one I've asked in government, business or academia has been able to answer those questions," Dobbs writes.
6 posted on 09/08/2004 3:49:40 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Nice50BMG
Dobbs doesn't seem to understand that its the total failure of the US education system that has lead to Indian outsourcing.

You can wag both ends of that dog. I worked my tush off from junior high through graduate school, and have already been laid off once due to offshoring and due to no fault of my own. (The entire office has since been closed.)

The next time it happens, there's about a 70% chance that I will go to some career that may pay much less, but have some job security associated with it. What kind of motivation do you think Americans have to go into these "serious knowledge labor" fields when they risk being tossed aside like garbage at 35 or 40 (or before), in favor of some kid in Bangalore who can work for $2.50/hr? No way would I encourage my kids to get a Comp Sci degree. If they're smart and industrious, let them go into a field where they can have a stable career until retirement.

We're rapidly turning into a society of teachers, lawyers, salesmen, and security guards -- fields you can't offshore. Notice something about those professions: none of them have anything directly do with the production of any sort of exportable goods.

7 posted on 09/08/2004 3:58:22 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Nice50BMG

Sorry, I don't fully buy in to your argument. Yeah, the NEA and the other useful idiots in education have attempted to wreck the whole system but there's still a lot of quality young people who could be trained properly to be very useful for any organization. Too many folks in this country have bought into the media created fantasy about our young men and women, the vast majority of whom are looking to be productive workers, parents and community leaders. The bottom line is the usual culprit.....pure greed and it's been the case since NAFTA, GATT, etc. and the rest of these alleged free trade agreements.

We've seen numerous products offshored to factories paying a fraction of what Americans used to make but as these products re-enter our retail markets, have the prices decreased because of the steep decline of production?....hell no they haven't! In fact, many products being made by virtual slave labor cost more than ever, including clothes, food, household goods, etc. It's nothing more than a massive hollowing out of our middle class and entire economy. So enjoy it while it lasts amigo because this whole charade will not last a whole lot longer. Oh yeah, I've owned a small business for over 20 yrs. and have hired nothing but Americans and I'll be around a lot longer than a lot of these offshore experts.


8 posted on 09/08/2004 4:01:35 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: Nice50BMG
I am unable to find the talent and team cohesion in the US that I can in Mumbai.

At 70¢ per hour (including benefits), no, you probably can't.

9 posted on 09/08/2004 4:03:27 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Alan Go!!!)
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To: Nice50BMG

But these Indians are educating themselves at our universities. I think it has more to do with desire. The Indians are simply hungrier. Americans have grown fat and lazy, partially due to our success and partially due to socialism (notice we're not talking about the EU).


10 posted on 09/08/2004 4:06:05 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: Nice50BMG
The NEA wants more money from all of us to continue cranking out dysfunctional idiots who can tell you all day about every social ill imposed on the world by the good people of this country, but they can't write a line of code, a business letter, or even a resume.

Please tell us where the candidates that you interviewed for your software positions went to school. What kind of positions were they? Did you interview people just out of college? How did you tell that they couldn't write a line of code?
63 posted on 09/08/2004 5:36:44 PM PDT by lelio
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To: Nice50BMG
Dobbs doesn't seem to understand that its the total failure of the US education system that has lead to Indian outsourcing.

Please, please, tell me how the better US education system would provide IT engineers able to support themselves at 10K a year? I know as a true freetrader you will not answer this basic question, so I am not holding my breath.

79 posted on 09/08/2004 6:20:03 PM PDT by A. Pole (Madeleine Albright:"We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future.")
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To: Nice50BMG
Dobbs doesn't seem to understand that its the total failure of the US education system that has lead to Indian outsourcing. The outsourcing in India is not for T-shirts or rubber dog doo, it's for serious knowledge labor that is no longer available from a pot-smoking MTV-watching uneducated US polulation.

So why are software developers with 30+ years experience and current skillsets not being hired either? It's not education, but the fact you can put someone to work in India for $10,000 a year. No American can compete with that. The only way out is to write down the value of our lifestyle by devaluing the dollar, bringing the cost of an American in line with the cost of an Indian.

The process has started already, but will have to go a lot further before the labor market comes back into balance once more.

86 posted on 09/08/2004 6:37:56 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Nice50BMG; Willie Green; A. Pole; Destro

If every American was the most literate, educationally brilliant person the world had ever seen, corporate America would still be outsourcing. Do you really think that India has a first-class educational system? They have illiteracy on a scale we could not imagine. They also have major problems with ethnic strife, sectarian violence, and organized crime. But outsourcing gives C.E.O.'s something they can't get in America: something for nothing. The simple fact is that these huge corporate executives are greedy and unpatriotic.


87 posted on 09/08/2004 6:43:53 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Nice50BMG
Dobbs doesn't seem to understand that its the total failure of the US education system that has lead to Indian outsourcing

This is true. They have failed to teach our children to defend our liberty by keeping our government Constitutional. They have failed to teach them to repudiate the global socialism that created the WTO and the fake "free trade" system that is destroying our sovereignty and the economic viability of our country. You are right, it is a total failure of the US education system that our citizens don't see the hand of socialism in the destruction of our free enterprise system, or to recognize that is has been replaced by a managed trade system run by socialist internationalists.
89 posted on 09/08/2004 6:44:34 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Nice50BMG

As a former software engineer (stay-at-home-mom now), he's right.

Great engineers are being outsourced to lower paying engineers. It's the engineers that are older, well-educated, and have high saleries that are getting outsourced.


107 posted on 09/08/2004 7:12:49 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Nice50BMG

Baloney. A company that I used to work for exported almost two hundred jobs to India (mine among them). All the jobs were held by people with degrees, many of them advanced. The jobs went to less educated, less skilled and knowledgable people. But they were less expensive employees, and there were far fewer environmental or other government regulations to be concerned with. The quality of the work suffered, and two years later the company was sold for pennies on the dollar.


216 posted on 09/08/2004 9:30:16 PM PDT by JoeA
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To: Nice50BMG
Dobbs doesn't seem to understand that its the total failure of the US education system that has lead to Indian outsourcing.

I think it's the education system and also NAFTA. In my area, NW PA, labor and manufacturing jobs have left in droves since NAFTA was enacted, leaving unemployment and other local business closings and a population and brain drain in it's wake. Many people I know, both with and without higher education, now work 2 or 3 lower paying jobs, still earning less than before and no more benefits. NAFTA has made it just plain less expensive for some labor employers to ship work to places like Mexico and others.

241 posted on 09/09/2004 6:38:41 AM PDT by fortunecookie (My grandparents didn't flee communism so that I could live in Kerry's Kommune.)
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