New Questions On Bush Guard Duty [CBS USES FORGERIES TO SMEAR THE PRESIDENT!!!!!]

CBS ^ | 9/10/04 | Staff

[TastyManatees]

New Questions On Bush Guard Duty

CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.

While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.

Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.

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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."

Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.

[hoosiermama]

...given these memos by an unnamed someone they refuse to identify who claimed the memos came from Killian's file.

You don't suppose Kerry's been using his typewriter again? Maybe the African Queen even bought him a new one.;^)

[MistyCA]

LOL! True about the psychic! LOL.

This guy Killian would be rolling over in his grave, I think. The military takes great pride in structure and these mistakes stand out like a sore thumb. I hope CBS recants the entire mess.

[cyncooper]

It would not matter to me if Bush was awol

That's sweet.

But the issue is he was not AWOL. There is nothing that supports such an allegation and your feelings aside, the lie should not go unchallenged.

[Travis McGee]

Yep. Occam's Razor is screaming out FORGERY! I can't wait to hear Dan Rather's "correction."

(As if he ever will.)

[Dr.Deth]

I think it's interesting that CBS is keeping mum on who gave them the documents. What's the big secret? (wink wink)

Hello, Terry!

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

FWIW, when I was in the Army, memos and forms would be dated 4 May 1972 never, ever, "04 May 1972". The leading zero on the date is very suspicous to me. Anyone else smell a rat, or is just me?

[MineralMan]

"Could it do superscripts with reduced font size like in memos 1 and 4?"

Yup, it could. A superscript "th" and "st" were available. They were treated as a single character and were one of the characters above the numbers. It was an option. IBM sold Executive typewriters with a whole range of special characters, for foreign languages, mathematics, etc. You wouldn't believe.

[Ima Lurker]

Col. Killian died in 1984.

Even so, what do you want to bet he votes for Kerry in November?

Thanks for the ping.

[william clark]

I think you are likely mistaken, for the simple reason that these are being touted as "just discovered" documents. I could be wrong on this, of course, but the hubbub over them wouldn't make sense if they'd been previously issued.

[jriemer]

Holy Crap! Kerry's 1972 DD214 used non-existant proportional type?????

This really needs to be another thread.

Everyone - Check out post #155 for details.

[boop]

Another note. The sig on the left looks like a fountain pen. The one on the right is either ball point or rollerball. Did they have rollerball pens in 1972? Also the script looks like that of a left hander, with an almost feminine light touch c/w the other sig.

[Travis McGee]

...given these memos by an unnamed someone they refuse to identify who claimed the memos came from Killian's file.

You don't suppose Kerry's been using his typewriter again? Maybe the African Queen even bought him a new one.;^)

Got that John FORGES Kerry pic handy?

[Blood of Tyrants]

They will be if they don't keep their mouths shut.

[citizen]

Get the word out CBS is a FRAUD!!

Is Tom Hays working for CBS now?

[MistyCA]

Are there any other documents in Bush's file generated by this Killian guy?

[Mycroft Holmes]

It was the Xerox Altos system (perhaps not yet for sale to the public), a precursor to the Mac (and which Apple largely copied, including the "mouse" interface.) The resume was in beautifully proportionately spaced fonts.

That was the Alto, a 12 bit microcoded Nova with a full page graphic interface and a whopping 1-2 MB hard disk. These machines were never for sale to the public though they did go to a few universities and to the White House. I used one for several years at Xerox PARC until they were replaced by the Dandylions and Dorados. Fine machines all.

regards,

[Poohbah]

You have snatched the pebble from the forger's palm, Honorable Grasshopper!

Chalk up another solid kill for the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy's Digital Brownshirts!

[MistyCA]

Thanks! I am glad you are on it too! :)

[Bogey78O]

I had a USAF Lt Col in ROTC. He kept a typewriter next to his desk and typed up all his own stuff.

[P-Marlowe]

The military details in the documents make sense.

that may be true, but how do you explain the word processing details, specifically the reduced font superscript on a 1972 typewritten memo. There were no typewriters capable of doing that in 1972 and in order to have the reduced font superscript, one had to use a TYPESETTER and what are the odds that a National Guard memo would be printed on a typesetter? One would only do that if they had planned on making a couple hundred copies of the document and it would have been done in a printing facility and not in the commander's office.