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Latest presidential polls vary widely [CNN removes its name from Gallup poll on-air/on-line]
CNN ^ | 9/17/04

Posted on 09/17/2004 10:02:15 AM PDT by Cableguy

Two new national polls are giving widely divergent views as to whether President Bush's post-convention bounce has solidified or evaporated.

A Gallup Poll released Friday showed the president widening his lead over Kerry among likely voters to 13 percentage points, with 55 percent for Bush and 42 percent for Kerry.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cnn; gallup; polls
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Check out CNN's on-air (and online) discussion of the Gallup poll showing Bush a large lead. They actually removed "CNN/USA Today/Gallup" and just use Gallup.

CNN is worried that its liberal viewers will get mad at CNN/USA Today/Gallup for showing Bush a 13-point lead.

1 posted on 09/17/2004 10:02:17 AM PDT by Cableguy
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Oh, that liberal media!
2 posted on 09/17/2004 10:04:32 AM PDT by RockinRight (W stands for whoop-a**!!!)
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"They actually removed "CNN/USA Today/Gallup" and just use Gallup."

LOL you got to be kidding me? When have they ever done that before? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?


3 posted on 09/17/2004 10:05:10 AM PDT by saigon
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Also interesting how they can't simply present THEIR OWN POLLING alone as they normally do. They have to dull the blow to their audience by including a different poll showing John Forges Kerry much closer. Why don't they simply proclaim their own poll a pile of crap?!!


4 posted on 09/17/2004 10:09:38 AM PDT by sdkhaki
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I'm sure the DUmmies and other LW fruitloop moonbats have been deluging them with hatemail over the polls they dont like. They actually think CNN is RW and that Gallup is in bed with Bush.


5 posted on 09/17/2004 10:10:00 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Cableguy

go to DU. there are several threads accusing CNN of a conspiracy with gallup and the RNC to skew the polls W's way. as if CNN would ever help the right. what a bunch of maroons.


6 posted on 09/17/2004 10:10:59 AM PDT by jays911
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does anybody have the polling data itself from gallup so we can engorge ourselves on the internals?


7 posted on 09/17/2004 10:15:18 AM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him)
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go to DU. there are several threads accusing CNN of a conspiracy with gallup and the RNC to skew the polls W's way.

hehehe..the crackup continues.. :))

8 posted on 09/17/2004 10:16:22 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: Cableguy

This is a case where the documents are authentic, but the facts are substantially incorrect.


9 posted on 09/17/2004 10:17:21 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: aft_lizard

Do a search on FR or go to Gallup or USA Today. They have the full poll numbers and internals there.


10 posted on 09/17/2004 10:19:59 AM PDT by Cableguy
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Remember, the margins of error are calculated at the 95% confidence level. That means that 5% of the time (or once every twenty polls), the poll result will be off MORE than the margin of error. With the onslaught of polls we are seeing, we should expect results that do not really reflect the actual status of the race fairly regularly.

The sites that do meta-analysis (averaging many polls) probably do a better job of showing the true status of the race, although their averaging methodologies seem pretty crude.

In all likelyhood, Gallup is too high and Pew is too low.

11 posted on 09/17/2004 10:24:12 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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What CNN fails to see is that by removing their name from the poll, it automatically gives more credibility to the Gallup Poll!


12 posted on 09/17/2004 10:34:32 AM PDT by TommyDale
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I am not arguing about the numbers. Gallup is probably off. But what I am pointing out is the liberal bias of CNN who took their name off so they won't offend their liberal viewers.


13 posted on 09/17/2004 10:46:30 AM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Redmen4ever

Good thniking. Negative logic just like reverse polarity. Very clever.


14 posted on 09/17/2004 11:14:46 AM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota
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Thinking not thniking. I don't even know what thnicking is but it sounds like kind of a neat word!


15 posted on 09/17/2004 11:15:57 AM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota
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Why are they breaking off? Are Bush's numbers too good for them to be part of it.


16 posted on 09/17/2004 12:35:20 PM PDT by youngtory ("The tired, old, corrupt Liberal party is cornered like an angry rat"-Stephen Harper)
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They don't want to piss off their liberal viewers by standing behind their own numbers. So they took CNN name off and replaced it with simply Gallup.


17 posted on 09/17/2004 12:42:07 PM PDT by Cableguy
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I have confidence in the polls that show it a very tight race; it shows that finally the pollsters are taking an element of the voting public seriously that they've ignored for years.

Dead people in Louisiana and the Chicago area...all who traditionally vote Democrat.

18 posted on 09/17/2004 12:47:08 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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I am not arguing about the numbers.

I understand that and your actual point was well made.

19 posted on 09/17/2004 1:53:33 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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>>Also interesting how they can't simply present THEIR OWN POLLING alone as they normally do. They have to dull the blow to their audience by including a different poll showing John Forges Kerry much closer. Why don't they simply proclaim their own poll a pile of crap?!!<<


LOL..I know.

CNN pays to be apart of the Gallup poll. When their own poll comes out they try to make it look unreliable by talking up the PEW results. Honestly, when is the last time you ever heard the MSM promoting a PEW poll like this!

It is funny actually.


20 posted on 09/17/2004 2:26:46 PM PDT by snarkytart
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