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Fox: Commercial Pilots 'attacked' with laser
Fox News | Greta Van Susteren

Posted on 09/28/2004 8:12:49 PM PDT by ableChair

Greta Van Susteren reported that a Delta pilot enroute to Salt Lake City was lazed in the cockpit this last Wednesday. Only country I know that has that hardware (for lazing bomber pilots) was the Soviet Union. Pilot reportedly required medical treatment and this was not a minor injury (weak laser) wound. More will come out to tomorrow as this story hits the print press.


TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; dal; kapitanman; laser
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To: DB
From the Cambridge Atlas of Astronomy Third Edition, page 96: [Fair use provisions!]

"Only 49 percent of the available solar radiation reaches the surface of our planet [all types - my comment], 5 percent through direct radiation, 22 percent through clouds and 22 percent by downwards scattering in the atmosphere".

In other words, 95% is initially absorbed and some of that reaches the Earth through convection.
361 posted on 09/29/2004 1:50:32 AM PDT by ableChair
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To: ableChair
I saw your link. It is talking NOT about the atmospheric absorption of visible, near-IR, mid-IR or far-IR that lasers operate in. It is speaking of the very long wavelength IR REradiated energy emitted from the earth's surface!

These are entirely two very different wavelength bands. The sun's energy incident upon the earth IS NOT absorbed 95%! Here is a good link to confirm what both of these bands of energy do in the atmosphere. Incendent Energy from the sun and it re-radiation

--Boot Hill

362 posted on 09/29/2004 1:50:33 AM PDT by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: Boot Hill
I make no claim to explaining it.

I'm simply stating that individual "photons" or again, whatever it is/they are can be counted. Each has a quantifiable discrete energy level. I'm looking at it strictly from an engineering prospective. Photon multiplier tubes do work.

I make zero claim of any significant understanding of the actual physics of it. So perhaps I should simply shut up...

363 posted on 09/29/2004 1:51:53 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Boot Hill

Hey, whoa, whoa, that's not MY link. Wrong guy.


364 posted on 09/29/2004 1:52:34 AM PDT by ableChair
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To: DB

No, don't shut up. You're one of a FEW posters at FR that actually reads posts and responds intelligently!


365 posted on 09/29/2004 1:53:35 AM PDT by ableChair
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To: Boot Hill

Dude, the Earth is not flat. I don't know how else to tell you something that is so publicly well established. I've quoted the Atlas and I'm not lying. Don't know what else to say about a hard fact.


366 posted on 09/29/2004 1:56:32 AM PDT by ableChair
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To: ableChair

Sorry, absorbed and scattered are not the same thing.

Absorbed means just that. Whatever absorbed the sun's energy would then radiate long wave heat. A substantially different wavelength than the initial wavelength being absorbed.

Scattered means just that, bounced around like mirrors until it finally reaches the earth. In this case the energy was not absorbed in the atmosphere and no long wave heat was radiated by the atmosphere (due to this mechanism). The energy retains its original wavelength because it is the same energy from the sun just taking a longer path down.


367 posted on 09/29/2004 2:00:07 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Boot Hill

BTW, this doesn't even include the percentage of incident radiation REFLECTED off the atmosphere. So, the total reflection and absorption of light must be VERY close to 100%. This makes sense considering the fact that a space suit in LEO gets INCREDIBLY hot when in the sun. I'll look that number up tomorrow, but for now, it's bedtime for bonzo.


368 posted on 09/29/2004 2:03:05 AM PDT by ableChair
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To: DB

You're just reading what you want to read into it. The quote clearly states that ONLY 5% REACHES THE SURFACE of the Earth. That is what is relevant here; that is, how much light is deflected OR absorbed. It doesn't matter how, just that it is. Lasers will encounter the same problem.


369 posted on 09/29/2004 2:04:37 AM PDT by ableChair
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To: DB
"I'm looking at it strictly from an engineering prospective."

Ditto, engineer, hardware electronics and optics, 35 years.

The fact is there are some optical phenomena (like the F-P Interferometer, or Young's Double Slit experiment) that just can't be explained very well by using photons. And conversely, (as Einstein demonstrated with photocells in 1905) there are some effects that just can't be explained well by waves. That's why they call it the wave-particle duality.

--Boot Hill

370 posted on 09/29/2004 2:05:16 AM PDT by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: ableChair
Oh wow, my mistake. You suggested the atmosphere absorbs only 19%. You're way off. It absorbs 95% of radiative energy.

No it doesn't.

371 posted on 09/29/2004 2:09:05 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: finnman69
Data from the NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System database for the last two years provide examples of commercial flights in which the pilots suffered eye damage from lasers. These include aircraft landings at Honolulu, Las Vegas, Miami, New York, Los Angeles, and Phoenix.

BUMP

Very informative post. As usual, the media is a few years behind the curve.

Whoever noted that laser-protective eyewear would become SOP for take-off and landing is precient.

372 posted on 09/29/2004 2:09:57 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: TBarnett34; ableChair
Here is what I was looking for:


To: AdamSelene235

This could be for everyone:
This would not be a conventional laser. This would have to be a high-powered laser as it would be fired from a great distance, through lots of atmosphere and glass. The USSR used this idea as a way of blinding pilots in wartime and developed powerful lasers for this purpose. It doesn't burn skin, but it's enough to damage your eyes. The crewmember is being treated for an eye injury.

16 posted on 09/28/2004 10:17:04 PM CDT by ableChair



373 posted on 09/29/2004 2:16:40 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: ableChair
"I don't know how else to tell you something that is so publicly well established."

Your source (#361) is incorrect. It is so incorrect that a simple reading of what you posted will reveal that fact. Your source wants us to believe that of the solar energy that reaches the earth 44% of it arrives through clouds and scattering, yet only 5% reaches us via direct radiation! In other words, your source claims that we get 9 times as much energy from the clouds and scattering than we do from direct sunlight! Does that make intuitive sense to you?

Please review my link in post #362.

--Boot Hill

374 posted on 09/29/2004 2:17:31 AM PDT by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: Dan Evans

LOL, okay, so we're taking the nihilist view now. I see this is pointless.


375 posted on 09/29/2004 2:17:46 AM PDT by ableChair
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To: TBarnett34; ableChair
First they stuned my beeber, now they lazed it! The horror!

Yep!

tiajunna Mexico customes beeber like device stuned


376 posted on 09/29/2004 2:17:58 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: ableChair
BTW, this point was brought up by a previous poster who was trying to argue that the atmosphere doesn't absorb much light; even though the light he is talking about is non-coherent and I don't even know if that's a valid comparison.

Why would you think that atmospheric absorption would be greater for coherent light?

377 posted on 09/29/2004 2:18:57 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Boot Hill

So, you're claim is that one of the most respected authorities on the subject is wrong because...you say so. Not very convincing.


378 posted on 09/29/2004 2:19:11 AM PDT by ableChair
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To: Dan Evans
Why would you think that atmospheric absorption would be greater for coherent light?

STRAW MAN! I didn't say that. What I said was that I don't know if they are comparable. Read the posts.
379 posted on 09/29/2004 2:20:20 AM PDT by ableChair
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To: Dan Evans
No it doesn't.

A comment like that, and an insistence by others that Cambridge is wrong is just a refusal to admit you're wrong. Not very compelling. We'll let the reader decide.
380 posted on 09/29/2004 2:21:37 AM PDT by ableChair
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