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Prohibiting Pornography -- A Moral Imperative
Morality in Media ^ | 1984 | Paul J. McGeady

Posted on 09/30/2004 1:56:48 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Obscenity is not encompassed within the phrases "freedom of speech" or "freedom of the press." There is no constitutional protection for obscenity, federal or state. Since this is so, Congress and the state legislative bodies may adopt laws to proscribe and punish those who manufacture, distribute, exhibit, or advertise obscene materials. Since no inroads are made by such legislation on protected speech, it is not necessary to look for a "clear and present danger"; nor even is it required to find a "compelling" or "substantial" federal or state interest to justify such laws. Unless the one challenging such laws can show that they are "irrational" under the due process clauses of the Fifth or Fourteenth Amendments, they will be upheld. Of course, passage of such laws is an exercise in police power, and under our concept of "ordered liberty," laws find their philosophical underpinnings in the protection of the health, safety, welfare or morals of the people. Under the principle of majority rule, therefore, laws with such underpinnings, those which are not irrational, may be passed by a simple majority of the legislature. To those who say "I don't like such laws" or "You are forcing me to comply with moral standards other than my own," we say, "You are living in a democratic republic where majority rule is the law. If you don't like it, short of revolution, your democratic response is to either change the Constitution or prevail upon the legislatures to repeal the obscenity laws -- but don't try to obsfucate the law by making false claims that such regulation is unconstitutional."

I. Protecting a Heritage of Laws for Decency: A Constitutional Imperative

The inherent danger to "public morality" (or "collective morality" -- a term used by Dallin H. Oaks, President of Brigham Young University) of obscene publications and the necessity to proscribe the same by legislation has been recognized from the time of Aristotle who said:

"The legislator ought to banish from the state, as he would any other evil, all unseemly talk. The indecent remark, lightly dropped, results in conduct of like kind. Especially, therefore, it must also forbid pictures or literature of the same kind."

Our common law tradition from England always considered obscenity a proscribable utterance. Sir William Blackstone, the compiler of that tradition, said:

"Every free man has an undoubted right to lay whatever sentiments he pleases before the public . . . but if he publishes what is illegal, he must take the consequence of his own temerity . . . [It is necessary] to punish . . . offensive writings . . . for the preservation of peace and good order."

Obscenity has always similarly been considered proscribable in the United States. Following Blackstone and the English common law, we have applied the punishment after the fact on the purveyor of obscenity.

In 1682 a bill was introduced and enacted as a General Law of the province of East New Jersey providing punishment for those who uttered "obscene words." This was followed by a similar law in West New Jersey in 1683. As early as 1712 the province of Massachusetts adopted a law against publishing "filthy or obscene" pamphlets.

In other states, in our early history, obscenity was looked upon as a common law crime. In 1808, Connecticut indicted an individual for the display of "an indecent picture or sign." In 1815 Pennsylvania courts upheld an indictment for exhibiting an obscene picture for money as a common law offense, the court stating that "neither is there any doubt that the publication of an obscene book is indictable." The presiding Judge Yeates noted:

"Where the offense charged is destructive of morality in general . . . it is punishable at common law. The destruction of morality renders the power of government invalid, for government is no more than public order. It weakens the bands by which society is kept together. The corruption of the public mind, in general, and debauching the manners of youth, in particular, by lewd and obscene pictures . . . must necessarily be attended with the most injurious consequences. We find that in 1770 in the case of King v. Wilkes, that the defendant was convicted for an obscene "Essay on Women."

In 1821, Massachusetts courts convicted one Holmes of the misdemeanor of publishing an obscene book. In 1824, Vermont passed an obscenity statute. In 1842, the Congress of the United States prohibited the importation of obscene materials. In 1865, the predecessor of the present federal mail statute was passed. In 1897, Congress adopted a criminal statute against interstate transportation of obscenity and in 1929 prohibited the broadcasting of obscenity.

Since no one seriously thought that the First Amendment protected objectionable material of this sort, there were no direct First Amendment challeges. It was not until 1957 that the issue was seriously presented to the United States Supreme Court in the Roth-Alberts case. In Roth, Justice Brennan speaking for the majority of the Court said:

"It is apparent that the unconditional phrasing of the First Amendment was not intended to protect every utterance. . . . At the time of the adoption of the First Amendment . . . obscenity . . . was outside the protection intended for speech and press. The protection given speech and press was fashioned to assure unfettered interchange of ideas for the bringing about of political and social changes desired by the people. Implicit in the history of the First Amendment is the rejection of obscenity as utterly without redeeming social importance. This rejection . . . is mirrored in the universal judgment that obscenity should be restrained, reflected in the international agreement of over 50 nations, in the obscenity laws of all forty-eight states and in the 20 obscenity laws enacted by the Congress from 1842 to 1956. There are certain well defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene. We hold that obscenity is not within the area of constitutionally protected speech or press."

II. Protecting "Collective Morality" by Preventing Pollution of the Mind: A State's Prerogative

The question of whether it is necessary to show that obscene materials induce criminal acts arises because of the legal theory produced in Schneck v. United States in which Mr. Justice Holmes stated:

"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theater causing a panic . . . The question . . . is whether . . . the words are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent."

Holmes indicates thatt you cannot constitutionally inhibit "free speech" unless failure to do so is likely to create a clear and present danger of substantive evil. There are people who argue that you can't prove that obscenity produces such an evil; hence, you ought not to legislate against it. The complete answer to such an argument is that obscenity has been determined on many occasions not to be "free speech" (even though it is an utterance) and therefore there is no necessity to prove that antisocial effects will eminate from it.

Notes Justice Brennan in Roth-Alberts at 354 US 486:

"It is insisted that the Constitutional guarantees are violated because convictions may be had without proof either that obscene material will perceptibly create a clear and present danger of anti-social conduct or will probably induce its recipients to such conduct. But in the light of our holding that obscenity is not free speech . . . it is unnecessary for us or the state court to consider the issues behind the phrase 'clear and present danger'. . . "

Added Justice Harlan in a concurrance at 354 US 501:

"It seems to me clear that it is not irrational in our present state of knowledge, to consider that pornography can induce a type of sexual conduct which a state may deem obnoxious to the moral fabric of society. Even assuming that pornography cannot be deemed to cause, in an immediate sense, criminal sexual conduct, other interests within the proper cognizance of the States may be protected by the prohibition placed on such materials. The state can reasonably draw the inference that over a long period of time the indiscriminate dissemination of materials, the essential character of which is to degrade sex, will have an eroding effect on moral standards."

In the 1973 Paris Adult Theater decision, the Supreme Court again gives us an additional constitutional-philosophical rationale for the existence of obscenity law when at 413 US 59 the Court states:

"We hold that there are legitimate state interests at stake in stemming the tide of commercialized obscenity . . . These include the interest of the public in the quality of life and the total community environment, the tone of commerce in the great city centers and possibly the public safety itself. The Hill-Link Minority Report of the Presidential Commission on Obscenity and Pornography indicates that there is at least an arguable connection between obscene material and crime. . . . Quite apart from sex crimes there remains one problem of large proportions aptly described by Professor Bickel:

'It concerns the tone of society . . . the style and quality of life, now and in the future. A man may be entitled to read an obscene book in his room, or expose himself indecently. There we should protect his privacy, but if he demands a right to obtain the books and pictures he wants in the market, and to foregather in public places -- discreet, if you will, but accessible to all -- with others who share his tastes, then to grant him his right is to affect the world about the rest of us and to impinge on other privacies. Even supposing that each of us can, if he wishes effectively to avert the eye and stop the ear (which in truth he cannot) what is commonly read and heard and seen and done intrudes on us all, want it or not.' "

In Paris Adult Theatre, Chief Justice Burger summed it all up when he said, "There is a right of the nation and of the states to maintain a decent society."

On the same day that Paris Adult Theatre was decided the Supreme Court also decided Kaplan v. California in which it stated:

"States need not wait until behavioral experts or educators can provide empirical data before enacting controls on obscene matter not protected by the Constitution."

Mr. Dallin H. Oaks, the author of a monograph entitled "The Popular Myth of Victimless Crime," took office as President of Brigham Young University in 1971. He had served as Law Clerk to Chief Justice Earl Warren, as a Professor of Law at the University of Chicago, and Executive Director of the American Bar Foundation, and as Assistant State's Attorney in Cook County, Illinois. In that monograph, Mr. Oaks made the following remarks regarding the positive impact of legislating to improve societal civility:

1. "The criminal law also exists for the protection of society at large. The 'standard-setting' function of law can also be overlooked by those who are occupied with whether a particular law can be effectively enforced. Enforcement is an important consideration, but not a dispositive one. Because of its 'teaching' and 'standards setting' role, the law may serve society's interest by authoritatively condemning what it cannot begin to control directly by criminal penalties. This standard-setting function of law is of ever-increasing importance to society in a time when the moral teachings and social controls of our nation's families, schools and churches seem to be progressively less effective.

2. "The repeal of laws also can have an educative effect. If certain activities are classified as crimes, this is understood that the conduct is immoral, bad, unwise, and unacceptable for society and the individual. Consequently, if an elective legislative body removes criminal penalties, many citizens will understand this repeal as an official judgment that the decriminalized behavior is not harmful the individual or to society. Indeed, some may even understand decriminalization as a mark of public approval of the conduct in question. . . . The law is an effective teacher for good or evil.

3. "It is inevitable that the law will codify and teach moral values not shared by some portion of the society -- usually a minority.

4. "Preservation of the public health, safety and morals is a traditional concern of legislation. This does not justify laws in furtherance of the special morality of a particular group, but it does justify legislation in support of standards of right and wrong of such sufficient general acceptance that they can qualify as 'Collective Morality.' "

III. Propounding Decency in The Future: Obscenity Laws Forevermore

<![if !supportEmptyParas]>The obscenity laws are here to stay no matter how much the ACLU rails against them or tries to force upon us their version of the Constitution. Laws that protect societal decency are being enforced with greater frequency although progress is not always visible. These laws are here because a consensus of the American people want them. This is reflected in all of the polls taken by Messrs. Gallup and Roper and the laws of all the states. The 1970 Report of the Presidential Commission on Obscenity and Pornography -- advocating the abolition of obscenity laws -- came from a stacked commission (the hand-picked Chairman and General Counsel were both active members of the ACLU) whose preconceived conclusions were vigorously rejected by the President and by the Senate via a vote of 60 to 5 (and rejected by the Supreme Court in Miller (1973) and its progeny). The Supreme Court in those decisions quoted wiht approval the Hill-Link Minority Report of that Presidential Commission. The Hill-Link Report condemned the majority report as biased, seriously flawed and lacking in credibility.

There is a right to maintain a decent society. The word "decent" is by nature a moral criterion and those who don't like morality as a justification for governmental action will have to accept the constitutional police power principle that "Consensus Morality" is now, ever was, and always will be a solid legal basis for obscenity legislation.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; aclu; firstamendment; freespeech; indecency; mim; obscenity; porn
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To: mvpel

Personally, Ann's ideas are what I find most attractive about her.


101 posted on 09/30/2004 3:40:09 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: freeeee; Everybody



"Obscenity is not encompassed within the phrases "freedom of speech" or "freedom of the press."

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freeeee wrote:

Well that's the first step down the
slippery slope.

"Hate speech" comes next.

Then things that aren't 'politically correct'.
Then its political ads 60 days before an election.
And on and on...

Now freedom of speech has become to mean nothing but what the majority says it is, which is precisely no freedom of speech at all because the majority will only censor things it disagrees with, and given their fickle nature that can be just about anything.

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The slippery slope has arrived at FR.

The other day I was informed by my opponent at the end of a debate:

"Do not contact me again. Further Contact will be considered harrassment under California Penal Code § 646.9 (2001) - Stalking"


102 posted on 09/30/2004 3:40:17 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: tpaine

You must have whipped him good in that debate, eh?


103 posted on 09/30/2004 3:40:49 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: tpaine

unbelievable.


104 posted on 09/30/2004 3:41:45 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: tpaine

I'd listen to him if I were you.


105 posted on 09/30/2004 3:43:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Antoninus

Every time somebody uses the words "you people", I get a vision of swastika armbands.


106 posted on 09/30/2004 3:44:02 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Antoninus

Antonius wrote:

The porn innundation we have now is practically unprecedented in history. It will utterly ennervate our society.

Some of you people won't know what hit you until the *real* crackdown begins.

And it won't be your fellow Americans doing the cracking. Take a lesson from Rome and Weimar Germany while we still can.

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Antonius, it sure sounds to me like you would love to hit us with "the *real* crackdown"..
Are you a fellow American?


107 posted on 09/30/2004 3:47:34 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Antoninus; Tailgunner Joe
To: Tailgunner Joe

I just wish these libertines would quit trying to force their immorality on the rest of us...

44 Antoninus

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I just wish these obsessive compulsives would quit trying to force their self styled "moralities" on the rest of us...
109 posted on 09/30/2004 3:54:18 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Paloma_55
Now, again... what is morality?

In essence, it is the collective determination of what is good for society.

From your perspective as an atheist, why should I or anyone care about what's good for society? Why is the well-being of the other products of blind evolution who happen to be the same species as me a standard to which I must conform? Why is there any standard to which I must conform?

110 posted on 09/30/2004 3:54:37 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The laws against obscenity apply even to the electronic transmission of computer files.

There's your problem. Laws have boundaries, the Internet doesn't. www.porn.uk (not a real site) exists in the UK, and is not bound by American law. www.porn.de exists in Germany, and is not bound by American law. www.porn.fr exists in France and is not bound by American law. I could go on, and on, but you probably still wouldn't get it.

The internet is a global medium with servers everywhere. Stamping out porn on the internet would be almost exactly like fighting fire ants. You can never really beat the ants. The best you can do is get them to move their hills periodically.

111 posted on 09/30/2004 3:57:20 PM PDT by Melas
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To: tpaine
"Do not contact me again. Further Contact will be considered harrassment under California Penal Code § 646.9 (2001) - Stalking"

Sheesh.

112 posted on 09/30/2004 4:00:33 PM PDT by general_re (Drive offensively - the life you save may be your own.)
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To: robertpaulsen

robertpaulsen falsely claims:

Our Constitution was written for a moral and religious people

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There isn't a single avowed atheist in any three branches of the federal government, yet we have the most unconstitutional government in history. Funny, that...
62 freeeee

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According to who? You?

80 paulsen

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You disagree that we presently have the most unconstitutional government in our history?

Hitting the sauce early, robbie?


113 posted on 09/30/2004 4:06:59 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: freeeee
"Hate speech" comes next.
Then things that aren't 'politically correct'.
Then its political ads 60 days before an election.
And on and on...

There isn't any "speech". It's all "commerce among the several states", ala FDR.

114 posted on 09/30/2004 4:08:56 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Antoninus
I just wish these libertines would quit trying to force their immorality on the rest of us...

Who's forcing anything on you? If you don't like Playboy, don't read it. Who's forcing you? Oh, yeah, this calling everyone libertines? That doesn't wash. I'm so far from being a libertine that it's not even funny. I personally get bored with porn in mere moments, and have for years and years.

115 posted on 09/30/2004 4:09:51 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Tailgunner Joe wrote:

Just for the record, I don't favor theocracy as a form of government.

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You find a strange way to show your love for liberty joe.


116 posted on 09/30/2004 4:10:00 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: QuodErat

The ones I recall seeing were basically stick figures, except for the 'naughty parts', which were, to say the least, oversized. The man's junk was easily twice the length of his leg, and the woman's baby place was twice the size of her head. It was pretty comical. Then again, there probably weren't too many art classes at the time, so you kind of have to excuse the crudeness of it. Whoever painted it certainly had sex on his mind.


117 posted on 09/30/2004 4:14:36 PM PDT by zoyd (Hi, I'm with the government. We're going to make you like your neighbor.)
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To: jambooti
*DING!*
No that's "Ding-A-Ling". Sense your knew hear I'll cut you a little slak but rmeber speling is iptnat to get you're ideas acros. ;-)

Thank G-d our founding fathers recognized the dangers of the "tyranny of the majority" and passed the Bill of Rights to protect us. Regardless of what some may say it would be a different and poorer nation had we not the Bill Of Rights.

118 posted on 09/30/2004 4:16:51 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (John Kerry: Giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the US since 1970!)
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To: Robert_Paulson2; mvpel; Tailgunner Joe

He whipped himself.

Shortly after making his 'legal' threats he was suspended.


119 posted on 09/30/2004 4:16:58 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Antoninus
Hey, you know that's almost exactly what Jeffrey Dahmer said...

That was Ted Bundy, not Dahmer...get your serial killer facts straight.

120 posted on 09/30/2004 4:19:16 PM PDT by ServesURight (Tim Michels for U.S. Senate Wisconsin)
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