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DEM FLASHED 'WRITE' STUFF AT DEBATE (KERRY PULLED OUT A BLACK PEN?)
New York Post ^ | 10/04/04 | GERSH KUNTZMAN

Posted on 10/03/2004 11:56:26 PM PDT by kattracks

October 4, 2004 -- Was John Kerry trying to pull something at the debate last week?

That question was burning up the Internet yesterday after a slo-mo review of the footage showed the Massachusetts senator taking an object out of his right pocket before the first question.

Was it a cheat sheet — as some conservative bloggers claimed — or was it something innocuous?

Either way, it would violate the debate rules agreed to by both campaigns: "No props, notes . . . or other tangible things may be brought into the debate."

Many blogs offered links to the "Pocket-gate" footage. One, INDC Journal, even posted frame-by-frame stills purporting to show Kerry pulling out a notecard and placing it onto the podium.

But the mystery was solved when The Post reviewed a Fox News Channel feed from Thursday's debate: Kerry pulled out . . . a black pen.


(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cheat; cheater; firstdebate; kerry; pen
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To: TurtleStink

Be patient. There was probably a pen inside whatever that thing is. I very seriously doubt the N. Y. Post is lying. Kind of disappointing though. I was hoping for index cards.


221 posted on 10/04/2004 8:21:20 AM PDT by TomEwall
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To: TomGuy

Bet that won't happen again.


222 posted on 10/04/2004 8:21:34 AM PDT by beckysueb (W for Prez)
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To: savedbygrace

Up his sleeve?


223 posted on 10/04/2004 8:22:11 AM PDT by beckysueb (W for Prez)
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To: TankerKC

If they could cheat and slip in a pen, why not something else?


224 posted on 10/04/2004 8:24:22 AM PDT by beckysueb (W for Prez)
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To: mewzilla

October surprise?


225 posted on 10/04/2004 8:25:19 AM PDT by beckysueb (W for Prez)
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To: TomEwall

Post did this analysis without imput from Fox, see indcjournal.com. So .... the Post isn't exactly conservatice. Also Fox is letting us down on this. At least use your original non-compressed film to do an analysis. In fact, Fox is doing an O'Reilly this whole week. Geez Rupert Murdock, why bite the hand that feeds your success. We don't want a conservative bias network, we just want a "hypeless" cable show. The Newsweek Poll was junk, and they just played and played. Couldn't watch Fox all day yesterday.

It is what is . Not a pen. You do not unfold a pen. There should not have been anything added to the Podium surface. Those were the rules.


226 posted on 10/04/2004 8:33:32 AM PDT by TurtleStink
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To: TurtleStink

Could it be that Fox is being overly cautious because of Carl Cameron's remarks?


227 posted on 10/04/2004 8:36:17 AM PDT by surrey
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To: tirednvirginia
The Boston Globe has the entire debate available for viewing on their website.

Part One of the video begins with the candidates walking to their podiums and as indicated from this real-time, undoctored video, the item is clearly not a pen.

228 posted on 10/04/2004 8:50:14 AM PDT by agrace (Funny how socialist leaders never actually practice it themselves.)
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To: tirednvirginia; agrace

Oh, forgot to mention - best viewed in full-screen version. When video begins to play, right click on the screen and select zoom, option full screen and the picture will enlarge to full monitor size.


229 posted on 10/04/2004 8:52:30 AM PDT by agrace (Funny how socialist leaders never actually practice it themselves.)
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To: Crazieman

Take a look at this video clip and see sKerry using a SILVER pen.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1234670/posts


230 posted on 10/04/2004 9:31:57 AM PDT by photoguy
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To: spacejunkie

I couldn't find Brit's email but at Foxnews.com you can email Special Report (Brit's show) a story.


231 posted on 10/04/2004 9:44:54 AM PDT by NEPA
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To: NEPA

What is the final decision regarding Kerry cheating?

Is it all going away as just a black pen, or will this story have legs?


232 posted on 10/04/2004 9:56:16 AM PDT by core values
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To: kattracks

This can't be it. Watch what Kerry is doing while Lehrer is asking the first question of the debate to him. His hands are still unfolding something on the podium and his eyes glance down at it as if to read. He wouldn't have been writing any notes at this time as there was nothing to take notes about yet.


233 posted on 10/04/2004 9:56:46 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: Greek
I APOLOGIZE IF THIS WAS ALREADY MENTIONED, BUT WHAT GOES OUT MUST COME BACK IN. ANY VIDEO AT THE END OF THE DEBATE? MAY BE BETTER QUALITY OF HIM SNAGGING THEM AND PUTTING THEM BACK IN HIS POCKET.

I looked for that but unfortunately it seems that all the feeds were showing Lehrer's concluding remarks. So Kerry would have had plenty of time to remove it while off camera.

That said, watch the debate as it starts up. Kerry got the first question right off the bat after stepping to the podium. The camera shows him while Lehrer is speaking and his hands are still very active - as if they are unfolding something or arranging something. He even glances down at his hands, still moving, while Lehrer is asking him the question. Kerry WOULD NOT have needed to write anything at that point in the debate cause it had just started and there was nothing to write. So what was he doing so frantically?

234 posted on 10/04/2004 10:08:27 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: TurtleStink

I continue to hope for index cards, but I doubt it. If it is, great, it will be found out. There are millions of people that are aware of this. There will be a satisfactory answer to this, one way or the other.

I have to admit I don't see how a white rectangle can be a black pen.


235 posted on 10/04/2004 11:01:49 AM PDT by TomEwall
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To: beckysueb
Fox cannot touch this if nobody else does, after Carl Cameron put those fake Kerry quotes on the web.
236 posted on 10/04/2004 11:06:28 AM PDT by petercooper (Everything I ever needed to know about Islam, I learned on 9-11-01.)
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To: flashbunny
Is it one of those french pens??? Keep it in your pocket, folds out into a white, flag like object for quick surrender?

LOL!

237 posted on 10/04/2004 11:07:13 AM PDT by Calpublican
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To: core values
Is it all going away as just a black pen, or will this story have legs?

No, I don't think this one has legs, much as I'd like that to be so. Rush just commented on the story and basicly said it's a non-issue and anyone connected with the administration should stay far away from it because nothing can be proven. No one could accuse Rush of supporting the DNC and I think he's right on this one.

238 posted on 10/04/2004 11:26:22 AM PDT by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: igoramus987

Do you think it is a PDA/Blackberry?

Has this image been sent to Drudge?


239 posted on 10/04/2004 11:40:38 AM PDT by bear11 ("In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell)
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To: kattracks

Kerry obviously violated debate rules. So, yes that means he chated. Why? Surely just not for the heck of it.


240 posted on 10/04/2004 11:48:04 AM PDT by Dante3
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