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1 posted on 10/08/2004 8:50:35 PM PDT by quidnunc
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What if Israel Disappeared?
Posted October 8, 2004
By Michael Glueck

For as long as there has been a State of Israel, there has been a temptation to believe that if Israel could somehow conveniently disappear -- then the United States and the Arabs would have no major disagreements. It takes two to tangle, right? The Arab-Israeli conflict could be settled.

Witness the assessment of UPI columnist Claude Salhani who recently wrote that "Another crisis also worsening by the day is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. . . which many analysts agree is the principal generator of anti-Western feeling in the region."

Fifty years ago, this notion may have held a certain plausibility. We had no major entanglements, indeed few contacts of any kind beyond the oil business. And many Arabs viewed us favorably, if only because we made the right noises about British and French imperialism. Perhaps even ten years ago, a comprehensive peace and the establishment of an independent Palestine might have dampened, if not eliminated, the hostility.

No more. Today, the destruction of Israel is only one item on a long Jihadi check-list. And it's vital to be clear about two things: IsraelÌs significance in this new situation and how, in the long run, Israel and the United States (and the civilized world) can triumph together.

Sometimes, an anecdote reveals more than a policy tome.

"A few years ago," says Philip Gold, Seattle-based author of Take Back the Right, "Burger King opened a kosher restaurant in East Jerusalem. Bad publicity in the U.S. and the threat of a worldwide Arab boycott forced them to close the outlet. I remember reading the statement of one Palestinian cleric who shrugged it off. He said, '"Who cares if it's Jerusalem or Madrid? It's all Islamic land."'

And there be the essence of the Jihadi agenda. It's all Islamic land . . . and all the world a stage for the forcible subjugation and/or conversion of the human race. Few Islamic radicals, from Falluja to France, hide the fact that the establishment of a new Umma under Islamic law is their ultimate goal. Their publications and their web sites proclaim it clearly and proudly. And however delusional the quest may seem to us, it's not a good idea to ignore the goals of people ready to kill and die for them.

In this sense, were Israel to disappear, terrorism against the West would probably not decrease but rather increase: one less target to absorb their enmity, yet another victory to encourage them. The Israeli land of milk and honey would soon be destroyed. Perhaps like Lebanon there would emerge dueling suicide bombers from all factions.

But Israel is unlikely to disappear. And it's important to understand why. Her nuclear deterrent makes a difference, of course. So does the sorrowful fact that, did Israel (and the United States) not exist, the Arabs would have to invent them in order to explain away their own failures and excesses.

Israeli expertise is invaluable to us at all levels, from intelligence to tactical operations. And lets not forget that the true motivator of Jihad wasn't Israel but Afghanistan, where for the first time in centuries, Islamic fighters beat a major power. Yes with our help -- but we abandoned them literally the day after the last Russian soldier left.

According to Gold many on the domestic Left and in the so-called world community liken the Israelis to Nazis. This is nonsense. If the Israelis were Nazis, there would have been a lot more territory-grabbing and a Palestinian "Final Solution" long ago, and the Left and the UN wouldn't have done a darn thing about it. What the Israelis have done is keep the situation under control, not so much by violence, as by their very option to withdraw from the West Bank and Gaza.

Everybody knows that would result in a Palestinian civil war that would probably be won by the most radical and violent sects. The Israelis don't want that. Neither do many Palestinians. That may be one reason why Israeli intelligence is so good, why they've been able to get the information and do those targeted killings. He believes there must be an independent State of Palestine and believes it matters who runs it. So do a lot of Palestinians.

In essence, the Israelis are hanging on, pending the rise of some group or faction or individual capable of making peace and preventing Palestinian civil war. But is there any reason to believe this could happen, or that the West could help bring it about?

Yes. And therein may lie some hope for America's struggle against
terrorism.

Michael Arnold Glueck, M.D., is a multiple-award-winning writer who comments on medical-legal and allied policy issues.


2 posted on 10/08/2004 8:51:32 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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I kinda hope that the Muslims push Israel over the edge. I know that if that happens, then a lot of Israelis would have died, but I really want Israel to just finish off this ridiculousness.


3 posted on 10/08/2004 8:53:02 PM PDT by zahal724 (I own a lumber company?)
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To: quidnunc
For as long as there has been a State of Israel, there has been a temptation to believe
that if Israel could somehow conveniently disappear — then the United States and
the Arabs would have no major disagreements. It takes two to tangle, right?
The Arab-Israeli conflict could be settled.


Anyone naive enough to swallow that proposition need only look at The Sudan
and other Islamic paradises.
(Don't let the word "Arab" fool you; this is about Muslims, even if some Arabs
are Christian. Increasingly that demographic is living in the USA)

When the Arabs/Muslims get rid of Israel, they'll just push for more territory,
extending Eurabia as far as possible.
And then we'll have that wonderful world of Islam: First-Class Muslims
raping, exploiting and murdering Second-Class Muslims.
4 posted on 10/08/2004 8:54:40 PM PDT by VOA
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Israel will NOT disappear. Prophecy guarantees it.


5 posted on 10/08/2004 8:56:04 PM PDT by mywholebodyisaweapon
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The bloody borders of Islam would take over. There would be a major push against India and whatever parts of Africa were not muslim. Then they would move on to Europe and we would see massive terroist attacks in this country(USA) similar to what you see in Isreal now.


13 posted on 10/08/2004 9:09:11 PM PDT by SengirV
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What if Israel Disappeared?

The Jihadis would be emboldened, and turn on the "crusaders." They have a nice saying over there "First the Saturday people, and then the Sunday people." (Translation: Kill the Jews, then the Christians)

Actually, they believe that their end of days will not come about unless they kill Jews, and trees come alive and yell "there is a Jew behind me, come kill him!"

See here: http://www.islam-qa.com/QA/1|Basic_Tenets_of_Faith(Aqeedah)/Al-Walaa'_wal-Baraa'_(Alliance_and_Amity,_Disavowal_and_Enmity)/Why_can't_the_Jews_and_Muslims_live_together_in_peace.30011999.1098.shtml

Sick Koranimals.

Islam = Terror.

20 posted on 10/08/2004 9:16:00 PM PDT by USF
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It will never happen. God has promised it..."Heaven and earth will pass away, but, My Word will never pass away!"


26 posted on 10/08/2004 9:22:09 PM PDT by hope
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"What if Israel Disappeared?"

Then so would other countries.







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29 posted on 10/08/2004 9:31:04 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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Where the Israelis see a garden the muslims see a sand dune. Those two people couldn't be farther apart in their view of the world

If muslims ever took hold of Israel they'd destroy all of the advances made by the Israelis, and turn Israel back into a medieval desert.

Of course there'd be a bunch of liberals talking about the muslims "regaining their heritage", and other assorted BS.

Would it change muslim hatered of America? Of course not.


31 posted on 10/08/2004 9:35:14 PM PDT by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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This is what I see starting a third world war. How many Eurofreaks have been protesting in Israel? Too many. Okay there was that one American who thankfully was run over by a bulldozer. The UN repeatedly passes resolutions against Israel's right to self defense.

I believe what the Europeans started over centuries they will attempt to repeat (to wipe out the Jews). Israel's efforts to defend itself will result in a resolution that will have French and German troops landing on her shores.
Israel will then not hesitate to use the final mushroom cloud solution against the German people.

Now where will America be in all of this. I truly believe if we would have had that anti-semite Dean as President, or even Hilary, they would opt to stand by and feed Israel to its enemies.
41 posted on 10/08/2004 9:55:14 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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If Israel vanished, the Muslims would have to re-invent it.
55 posted on 10/08/2004 10:14:59 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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IF... Israel were to collapse, there wouldn't be a moment of peace in the western world. Cyprus would fall next. Attacks would the fall on Athens, Sophia in Bulgaria, Belgrade and Rome. Europe would be paralyzed; India would be between a nuclear Pakistan and a nuclear China and SOL.

The rest of the world wouldn't give a damn about Africa.

60 posted on 10/08/2004 10:21:39 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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No more. Today, the destruction of Israel is only one item on a long Jihadi check-list. And it's vital to be clear about two things: IsraelÌs significance in this new situation and how, in the long run, Israel and the United States (and the civilized world) can triumph together.

Huh?

Israel and "palestine" were handed their birth certificates simultaneously. Israel began immediately to create; the arabs ignored the value and potential of their "country" and focused instead on preventing Israel from having theirs. One created, the other hated and focused on destruction. The contrast in spirit was clear from the beginning, and ignoring the elephant in the bathroom for 60 years won't change that clear and unambiguous fact.

Since the creation of the PLO, there was no longer an excuse for the charade, as the alice-in-wonderland other parallel universe began feeding, housing, enabling and encouraging the elephant in its murderous ways. It was then too much to expect the world not to notice. Forty years later it is beginning to dawn on even the most stupid members of humanity that the "palestinian" cockroaches have no more use for a country than feral rats do.

What if Israel disappeared? Evil will have triumphed in the most painful way possible. And the world and the concept of "humanity" would be substantially and perhaps permantly diminished.

72 posted on 10/08/2004 10:50:06 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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That's a fine article - and an excellent overwiew of the Middle-East situation.


77 posted on 10/08/2004 10:56:23 PM PDT by Bogolyubski
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what if Israel were replaced by its evil twin? or a clone?


84 posted on 10/08/2004 11:15:03 PM PDT by isom35
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If Israel disappeared...it'd take a huge part of the Middle East with it first.


97 posted on 10/09/2004 12:25:55 AM PDT by RichInOC (KATZ: HOW ARE YOU PIGHUMPERS!! DESTRUCTION ARE ON THE WAY TO YOU.)
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I'm sure the U.S. would be happy to have the Israelis come live here should something happen. We have had everyone else come here in the past few decades who have had major problems.


112 posted on 10/11/2004 9:02:38 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens.)
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Then Jesus will not return. I bet Jesus will return.


115 posted on 10/12/2004 2:29:14 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I wear sleepwear therefore I think)
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What if Israel Disappeared? It would just make it easier for us to deal with the Islamic plague. Rather then using many little nukes to make them happy with Allah we could just use one nice big one! Efficiency matters!


116 posted on 10/12/2004 1:17:15 PM PDT by EUPHORIC (Right? Left? Read Ecclesiastes 10:2 for a definition. The Bible knows all about it!)
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