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Global Warming Bombshell (Moonbat Mathematics Revealed)
MIT Technology Review ^ | 15 October 2004 | Richard Muller

Posted on 10/15/2004 2:39:25 AM PDT by Goat Locker Freeper

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To: Steve Schulin

Yeah, I know. I use that argument to see who has actually read the papers in question. It is amazing how many people use that graph without really thinking about what it really means.

So, what did you think of McKitrick's paper "A test of corrections for extraneous signals in gridded surface temperature data"?


81 posted on 10/15/2004 2:40:30 PM PDT by Yelling
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To: MonroeDNA

So why does the corrected one show such warm temperatures during the little ice age. Did it not take place?


82 posted on 10/15/2004 2:44:42 PM PDT by Yelling
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
Those two Gross and Levitt books should be required reading for everyone.
83 posted on 10/16/2004 9:51:31 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (<A HREF=http://www.michaelmoore.com>disingenuous filmmaker</A>)
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To: Yelling
I was tickled to compare the way McKitrick took responsibility for and quickly analyzed effect of his cosine error (using degrees instead of the radians expected by the software he used, as identified by web blogger Tim Lambert) with the way Mann acted when McIntyre and McKitrict's audit was published (Mann's ftp site was vacuumed in a way that freepers will recognize from Rose Law Firm story after Hillary went to Washington). I think McKitrick has shown real grace under pressure in this. As for quantifying the nonclimatic component of temperture trends, I think the conclusions voiced by he and Pat Michaels were reasonably stated -- this study is but a step along the right road to isolating and quantifying what looks to be a significant part of the surface temperature record.

Some of the other criticisms I've seen (Lambert's blog, mostly) are baseless. For example, Lambert went far into lala land when speculating about the choice to use absolute latitude. From looking at McKitrick's archives it is clear that the use of absolute latitude is a vestige of McKitrick's GDP-only earliest version of the paper.

Some other criticisms may have some substance. For example, I'm not sure what to make of the criticism that it's inappropriate to treat surface record data locations as independent in such an analysis, given their economic commonalities.

84 posted on 10/16/2004 12:48:01 PM PDT by Steve Schulin (Cheap electricity gives your average Joe a life better than kings used to enjoy)
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To: RightWingAtheist

I holler into the rainbarrel for months at a time while doubting that anyone hears. Thank you!

For lurkers, 'Flight' is a collection of essays on the topic from a conference of the same name - many authors agreeing with 'Higher Superstition'.


85 posted on 10/16/2004 2:35:28 PM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: Steve Schulin
Of course it was a glaring error that McKitrick had made so he couldn't hide it. Has he published a corrigendum in Climate Research yet.

In regards to his cosine of the latitude, I don't follow you here but you have read his work and I haven't. So maybe you can explain why he was using an absolute value. With a cosine function and latitude going from -90 to +90 it is not necessary so why use it?

In regards to the Rose Law firm, I am not familiar with it. It is similar to David Legates posting his article -Breaking the “Hockey Stick”, being severely criticized by Jones for numerous errors, taking the article off line, fixing the errors and then reposting and pretending it was the same article (i.e. same date)?
86 posted on 10/16/2004 5:59:45 PM PDT by Yelling
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To: Goat Locker Freeper

http://www.jamesphogan.com/heretics/toc.shtml#environment


87 posted on 10/17/2004 7:32:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba478/


88 posted on 10/17/2004 7:33:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv
Sorry, but ever since Climate Research had to print a retraction for one of her papers saying the data did not support the conclusions I haven't had much respect for Biliunas. I believe that she is the one that helped write the "paper" for the OISM site.
89 posted on 10/18/2004 8:48:00 AM PDT by Yelling
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To: SunkenCiv
great, this is the Legates article I referred to above. The one where he made some little corrections after he put it up and never bothered to tell anyone.

However here is a question, he quotes several data places such as: Argentina, Chile, southern Peru, southern Africa, New Zealand, Australia. These are all southern hemisphere locations, what do they have to do with the paper he is referring to?
90 posted on 10/18/2004 8:52:04 AM PDT by Yelling
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To: Goat Locker Freeper

Lysenkoism.


91 posted on 10/18/2004 10:32:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Yelling
re: cosablat

Your language seems to suggest that McKitrick might have been as recalcitrant as Mann in owning up to error, if only he had the chance. Shame on ya. Climate Research lists an Erratum from McKitrick and Michaels as #C 525 amongst its "Forthcoming publications". McKitrick posted draft erratum for public comment soon after the degrees-instead-of-radians error was identified.

You are absolutely correct that McKitrick and Michaels could have used "cosine of latitude" instead of "cosine of absolute latitude". One of McKitrick's earlier versions of the paper used absolute latitude without the cosine in examining the relationship between GDP and surface temperature record. The use of cosine was added later in the paper's development. The use of absolute latitude appears to be a vestige of that earlier work.

Vacuumed like the Rose Law Firm files

The vacuuming of Mann's ftp site is a story which warrants the widest publicity. When McIntyre and McKitrick's Energy and Environment article was published, Mann's quick comments were made to the Quark Soup blogger, who promptly published Mann's emails. Mann claimed that McIntyre had requested that the various Mann et al. 1998 time series be compiled into an Excel file for him, and that it was in the course of fulfilling this custom request that the "pcproxy.txt" file got ballocksed-up. Mann also noted that the correct data had long been available via ftp, and provided the ftp URL.

It just so happens, however, that the ftp directory included the same pcproxy.txt file, with a date stamp long before McIntyre contacted Mann. Also in the directory was a pcproxy.mat file -- an output of Matlab analysis software showing the same ballocksing as in the pcproxy.txt file. The Matlab file also had the same earlier datestamp. Within a week or so after Mann made his charges as described above, both the pcproxy.txt and the pcproxy.mat files were removed from the public ftp directory.

The existance of these two files seems to be quite in conflict with the specific claims made by Mann, and undermines the rather unflattering picture Mann paints of McIntyre and McKitrick. McIntyre published the email exchanges between him and Mann and Mann's designee. None of the emails suggest that McIntyre requested Excel file. And I note there's not a whit of public mention of the particular ftp directory before McIntyre and McKitrick's paper was published. I did a google search of web and usenet the day that Mann announced the ftp directory, and nary a mention anywhere was found. I posted my finding that same day in the quite contentious sci.environment group, and nobody contradicted my search results, although two folks assured everyone that they had indeed seen that exact University of Virginia directory at some point in the past. I found their assurances quite unconvincing, given that I too recalled seeing similar ftp directory, such as the one at the University of Massachusetts ftp site documented in one of the original Mann et al. papers. But the often-cited U Mass site did not, apparently ever, include the pcproxy.txt or pcproxy.mat files.

The Rose Law Firm was where Hillary Clinton was a partner. The shredding of records there, records related to Hillary's involvement in such ventures as Whitewater and Castle Grande, has been the subject of much discussion here on FreeRepublic. A search of AlamoGirl's annotated archives would probably be the best way to see a broad range of various article excerpts.

Legates

I had seen Legates' original and Jones' email reply when they were first distributed, but had not realized that Legates made any subsequent changes until you mentioned it here. Thanks. I've since taken the opportunity to compare the modified article with the original, and I'm not concerned in the least. It would have been nice for Legates or NCPA to have included a revision date, but the changes were so minor that I can understand the failure to do so. The biggest changes involved decoupling of "Mann and Jones" in several places, with the specific other Mann co-authors mentioned where appropriate. This did indeed improve the article, and I can understand why Jones didn't want to be tarred with every criticism.

92 posted on 10/23/2004 5:54:42 PM PDT by Steve Schulin (Cheap electricity gives your average Joe a life better than kings used to enjoy)
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