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Can men respect women if they're trained to be perverts?
WorldNetDaily ^ | 10/18/04 | Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

Posted on 10/18/2004 6:43:11 PM PDT by wagglebee

In a culture that sexualizes women constantly, the line between water-cooler chat and harassment is increasingly thin.

Bill O'Reilly, the conservative talk-show host whose "The O'Reilly Factor" is the highest-rated cable news show, has been sued for sexual harassment by his former producer Andrea Mackris. Mackris alleges that on many occasions, both in person and over the phone, O'Reilly engaged in lewd and lascivious conversation against her will. She goes so far as to state that O'Reilly unlawfully engaged in, and gratified himself with, phone sex, with Mackris on the other end of the line.

To be sure, O'Reilly enjoys the presumption of innocence in the suit, until proven otherwise. I personally respect and greatly enjoy O'Reilly as a broadcaster and I am sorry to see his public standing undermined by these allegations. While some of the content of Mackris' affidavit seems possible, readers of it will discover that other parts seem directed squarely at Roger Ailes, the chairman of the Fox News Channel, thereby undermining her credibility. Furthermore, Mackris does not explain why she didn't just hang up when O'Reilly allegedly harassed her repeatedly over the telephone.

Be that as it may, this sordid and sorry tale brings to the fore all that is wrong with our increasingly perverse culture. The question that the growing phenomenon of sexual harassment in the workplace raises is this: Can we really expect to have a healthy office environment, where men treat women as colleagues and intellectual equals, when everywhere else in the culture women are being so completely sexualized?

Is it realistic to ask men to separate what they see on television and in magazines from their interactions with women in the boardroom? With men being deluged in virtually every electronic medium with the message that women want to be recognized for their bodies rather than their brains, is it reasonable to expect that men will suddenly think differently the moment a woman dons a business suit?

Never in history have women been so sexually exploited as they are today.

College girls expose their breasts in exchange for a T-shirt on the "Girls Gone Wild" videos. MTV has transformed the women's music industry away from an emphasis on vocals and toward an emphasis of cleavage. Posters of Victoria's Secret models, dressed in thongs and the most revealing lingerie, line our mains thoroughfares, billboards and buses. Are men really expected to shut all this off the moment they stand in front of a copy machine?

Can we really expect a pure office environment to emerge from a degenerate culture? Indeed, in an environment where everything from the Internet to sporting events is sexualized, it even becomes difficult to determine what exactly constitutes harassment in the work place.

Let's see. If a man watches "Sex and the City" and, knowing that his female colleagues love the show, mentions at the water cooler how much he enjoyed the previous night's episode of Samantha giving a stranger oral sex, is it harassment? Or is it small talk?

And let's say a boss comes into the office after watching the Super Bowl and asks his secretary if she saw Janet Jackson's breast pop out during the half-time show, is he making lewd and inappropriate comments? What if a guy sees some new movie about sex and comments on the nude love scene – is that harassment? And if it is, can we at least recognize that we have made a huge portion of American culture off-limits in the workplace, because of how perversely sexualized it has become?

So that I am not misunderstood, let me make it clear that my purpose here is not to let men's boorish, and possibly illegal behavior, off the hook.

On the contrary. I wish that all men were gentlemen, behaving in a dignified and refined manner, especially around ladies. And I also wish that it didn't take the threat of legal action to get them to behave as gentlemen. Lewd comments on the part of lecherous men is the last thing that women should have to tolerate.

But let's acknowledge the incredibly mixed, contradictory and unfair signals that are being given to men. In life outside the office, men's lechery is encouraged in order to persuade men them to watch television or part with their cash. Near-naked twins sell them beer, women in thongs advertise the Miss America pageant, and Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera simulate masturbation in coming attractions for their shows on HBO and Showtime.

After being fed the idea in every corner of the culture that women primarily desire sexual attention, these men are expected to believe that women are going to be insulted, rather than complimented, by uncouth comments about their bodies.

What complicates the question of harassment is the fact that women are being subtly conditioned to use their sexuality to get ahead in the office. No less a branding genius than Donald Trump advised women on "The Apprentice" to play up their sexuality in commercial settings in order to gain power over men. Many women fall for this degrading advice by coming to the office dressed like streetwalkers. Dress codes today are considered outmoded and draconian, and fashion dictates that many women wear blouses cut very low and skirts cut very high. Yet men are expected not to notice. A woman's breasts can be spilling out of her blouse at a board-meeting, and men are expected to see her intelligence.

On my radio show, one man called in to say that there is a woman who works right across from his cubicle who wears see-through blouses nearly every day. "She's essentially wearing only a bra in the office, and I often have to put my hand in front of my face to block her out to stop myself from staring."

I am not blaming the victims or insinuating that women are inviting harassment. Far from it. No matter what they are exposed to and no matter how women dress, men must be in control of themselves and treat women as dignified and intellectual equals. I have never, and will never, excuse boorish behavior. But that does not change the fact that sexual harassment in the workplace is being vastly increased by a culture that both fosters the idea that women are primarily sexual objects, and that puts no emphasis on men and women dressing modestly and professionally.

And you can be sure that until such time that the sexual exploitation of women is reversed – and women reclaim their dignity by refusing to be portrayed on television and the Internet as the lecherous man's playthings – the number of women who have to suffer through male crudity is only going to increase.


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KEYWORDS: billoreilly; boteach; sexualharassment
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To: mylife

It happens all the time.


41 posted on 10/18/2004 7:08:01 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: wagglebee
Any man in America who makes any sexual references whatsoever in an office environment is asking for trouble. Males in positions of responsibility have to be absolutely above reproach because any utterance can be used to deprive him of his career and life.
42 posted on 10/18/2004 7:08:05 PM PDT by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: Perdogg

Between her and a falafel I'll take, umm, hmm...gimme a sec..


43 posted on 10/18/2004 7:08:56 PM PDT by dandi (Spitting pseudonymous venom.)
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To: missyme

What woman?


44 posted on 10/18/2004 7:09:04 PM PDT by DefCon
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To: wagglebee

I know.. we all know.

She was tagged after that.

But now shes married an exec and is golden again


45 posted on 10/18/2004 7:10:06 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: DefCon

Post 3


46 posted on 10/18/2004 7:10:42 PM PDT by missyme
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To: wagglebee
Furthermore, Mackris does not explain why she didn't just hang up when O'Reilly allegedly harassed her repeatedly over the telephone.

That is what jumped out at me. It sounds like she stayed on the line for extended periods of time.

47 posted on 10/18/2004 7:10:55 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: HitmanNY
It's ironic that I think the average woman of the 1840s and 1950s, for example, appears to have been a whole lot tougher in matters like this. If a man began acting significantly less than a gentleman, a woman would quickly put him in place with a slap, and otherwise tell him that if he kept it up her brothers, boyfrined, or husband would come by and kick the crap out of him. Seems to me the pre-feminist woman handled these things a lot better.

Hell, that's how I handled things all weekend.
48 posted on 10/18/2004 7:11:04 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Chain mail is a privilege, not a right.)
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To: missyme

What about it?


49 posted on 10/18/2004 7:12:04 PM PDT by DefCon
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To: Xenalyte

Never any doubts in our minds (although some might actually have enjoyed it)....

What? That wasn't me. nevermind...going away now....


50 posted on 10/18/2004 7:13:06 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (I FINALLY updated my FReeper page! Click on my name and see how you can help our President!)
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To: Xenalyte

Hey, you were also armed. An edged weapon can do a lot of convincing.


51 posted on 10/18/2004 7:13:22 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (The real Kerry-Edwards election slogan: "Attacked at Home, ridiculed abroad.")
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To: DefCon

What I said earlier she has a puritan pilgrim look to her..

Like she might be a bit of a pansy..


52 posted on 10/18/2004 7:13:53 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme

Why do you have your foot up on the kitchen counter?


53 posted on 10/18/2004 7:13:57 PM PDT by DefCon
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To: wagglebee
I am not blaming the victims or insinuating that women are inviting harassment. Far from it. No matter what they are exposed to and no matter how women dress, men must be in control of themselves and treat women as dignified and intellectual equals.

Uhm... he makes some good points but this is not one of them. Women who dress like sluts are indeed inviting harassment. JMHO.

54 posted on 10/18/2004 7:14:40 PM PDT by wizardoz ("Crikey! I've lost my mojo!")
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To: wagglebee
Is it realistic to ask men to separate what they see on television and in magazines from their interactions with women in the boardroom?

Of course it is. And likewise, women can distinguish between their coworkers and the rippling six-packs they see in magazines.

55 posted on 10/18/2004 7:17:06 PM PDT by ellery (Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: wagglebee
On my radio show, one man called in to say that there is a woman who works right across from his cubicle who wears see-through blouses nearly every day. "She's essentially wearing only a bra in the office, and I often have to put my hand in front of my face to block her out to stop myself from staring."

Well, then I guess women will have to start wearing burkas in order to protect themselves from the glares of men, right?

56 posted on 10/18/2004 7:17:28 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: swilhelm73
You tell'em bud.

Russert, Mathews, and O'Reilly are Democraps to the bone. Big show about selling "fairness." But when the chips are down these creeps go Democrat all the way.

If they really wanted to be "fair." they woulkd admit that up front. of the three, Russert approaches the closest to honesty, of the three, O'Reilly is the dumbest, and of the three the biggest toad is matthews.

57 posted on 10/18/2004 7:17:40 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: DefCon

What??


59 posted on 10/18/2004 7:18:40 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme

You girls are so catty to each other !
I can't look at her and tell if she is amish !
And - to call her a 'pansy'? - I'm shocked !
I was kinda getting the hots for her before you said that.


60 posted on 10/18/2004 7:18:44 PM PDT by DefCon
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